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Re: Russia conducts first air strike in Syria

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 19, 2015 12:55 pm

Robin Hood wrote:It was tongue in cheek but, ......... what seems to be missing from your argument is that any action by coalition forces in Syria is ILLEGAL under International Law, as is supplying weapons to an irregular military trying to overthrow the recognised government of Syria. The US and the Allies have one reason to do that and that is to achieve Regime change ...... which is also illegal under International Law.

One reason I oppose US actions is because of their arrogance in declaring themselves to be the ‘irreplaceable and exceptional’ Nation. Which roughly translated says ‘F**k you lot .... we are THE Mighty USA and do what we want because we are above the Law.’


One more thing, the Syrian Government does not speak on behalf of all Syrians. It is the Syrian people who are the sovereign owners of Syria, and not Assad, his Baathist Party or his Alawite sect.

Since he has denied the Sunnis, Kurds and Christians their own voice, is it acceptable to you as a matter of principle that these sovereign people's of Syria have a right to request assistance from coalition countries so that they may protect themselves from both DAESH on the one hand and a dictator on the other who has killed thousands of Sunnis and who has denied them their sovereign rights to their own country?

At what point will you consider the voice of 13 million Syrians as the sovereign voice of the Syrian Government in forced exile by a ruthless despot?

Do you AGREE that they too have rights? Hence, do you still believe that our involvement in Syria is illegal?

I do not believe it is illegal at all.

If you do agree that the 13 million have as much right to Syria as the Alawites, then you would understand the coalition's position a bit more.
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Re: Russia conducts first air strike in Syria

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Oct 19, 2015 12:56 pm

Get Real! wrote:Turkish Intelligence Chief: Putin's Intervention in Syria is Against Islam <-- You won't believe this Turkish Islamic clown! :lol:
"ISIS is a reality and we have to accept that we cannot eradicate a well-organized and popular establishment such as the Islamic State; therefore I urge my western colleagues to revise their mindset about Islamic political currents, put aside their cynical mentalité and thwart Vladimir Putin's plans to crush Syrian Islamist revolutionaries," Anadolu News Agency quoted Mr. Fidan as saying on Sunday.

Fidan further added that in order to deal with the vast number of foreign Jihadists craving to travel to Syria, it is imperative that ISIS must set up a consulate or at least a political office in Istanbul. He underlined that it is Turkey's firm belief to provide medical care for all injured people fleeing Russian ruthless airstrikes regardless of their political or religious affiliation.

http://www.aina.org/news/20151018174226.htm


Anybody with the vaguest knowledge of Turkish politics would know that Hakan Fidan could not possibly make such a public statement. I can find no corroboration of it anywhere. In your urge to Google anything that supports your shallow set of preconceptions, it would be a good idea to run things through the filter of common sense before posting them.
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Re: Russia conducts first air strike in Syria

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:04 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Turkish Intelligence Chief: Putin's Intervention in Syria is Against Islam <-- You won't believe this Turkish Islamic clown! :lol:
"ISIS is a reality and we have to accept that we cannot eradicate a well-organized and popular establishment such as the Islamic State; therefore I urge my western colleagues to revise their mindset about Islamic political currents, put aside their cynical mentalité and thwart Vladimir Putin's plans to crush Syrian Islamist revolutionaries," Anadolu News Agency quoted Mr. Fidan as saying on Sunday.

Fidan further added that in order to deal with the vast number of foreign Jihadists craving to travel to Syria, it is imperative that ISIS must set up a consulate or at least a political office in Istanbul. He underlined that it is Turkey's firm belief to provide medical care for all injured people fleeing Russian ruthless airstrikes regardless of their political or religious affiliation.

http://www.aina.org/news/20151018174226.htm


Anybody with the vaguest knowledge of Turkish politics would know that Hakan Fidan could not possibly make such a public statement. I can find no corroboration of it anywhere. In your urge to Google anything that supports your shallow set of preconceptions, it would be a good idea to run things through the filter of common sense before posting them.


We shall be waiting a long time for the CIA's statement about the matter! :lol:
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Re: Russia conducts first air strike in Syria

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:12 pm

Incidentally, is anybody else watching the situation in Ramadi, where the Iraqi armed forces appear to be on the verge of launching an assault to liberate the city from Daesh?

The Russian media is reporting it, so it must be true!

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151 ... amadi.html
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Re: Russia conducts first air strike in Syria

Postby Get Real! » Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:32 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Turkish Intelligence Chief: Putin's Intervention in Syria is Against Islam <-- You won't believe this Turkish Islamic clown! :lol:
"ISIS is a reality and we have to accept that we cannot eradicate a well-organized and popular establishment such as the Islamic State; therefore I urge my western colleagues to revise their mindset about Islamic political currents, put aside their cynical mentalité and thwart Vladimir Putin's plans to crush Syrian Islamist revolutionaries," Anadolu News Agency quoted Mr. Fidan as saying on Sunday.

Fidan further added that in order to deal with the vast number of foreign Jihadists craving to travel to Syria, it is imperative that ISIS must set up a consulate or at least a political office in Istanbul. He underlined that it is Turkey's firm belief to provide medical care for all injured people fleeing Russian ruthless airstrikes regardless of their political or religious affiliation.

http://www.aina.org/news/20151018174226.htm


Anybody with the vaguest knowledge of Turkish politics would know that Hakan Fidan could not possibly make such a public statement. I can find no corroboration of it anywhere. In your urge to Google anything that supports your shallow set of preconceptions, it would be a good idea to run things through the filter of common sense before posting them.

http://awdnews.com/top-news/turkish-int ... the-future

http://www.syrianews.cc/turkish-mit-chi ... ends-isis/

http://defence.pk/threads/turkish-intel ... re.340769/
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Re: Russia conducts first air strike in Syria

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:51 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Turkish Intelligence Chief: Putin's Intervention in Syria is Against Islam <-- You won't believe this Turkish Islamic clown! :lol:
"ISIS is a reality and we have to accept that we cannot eradicate a well-organized and popular establishment such as the Islamic State; therefore I urge my western colleagues to revise their mindset about Islamic political currents, put aside their cynical mentalité and thwart Vladimir Putin's plans to crush Syrian Islamist revolutionaries," Anadolu News Agency quoted Mr. Fidan as saying on Sunday.

Fidan further added that in order to deal with the vast number of foreign Jihadists craving to travel to Syria, it is imperative that ISIS must set up a consulate or at least a political office in Istanbul. He underlined that it is Turkey's firm belief to provide medical care for all injured people fleeing Russian ruthless airstrikes regardless of their political or religious affiliation.

http://www.aina.org/news/20151018174226.htm


Anybody with the vaguest knowledge of Turkish politics would know that Hakan Fidan could not possibly make such a public statement. I can find no corroboration of it anywhere. In your urge to Google anything that supports your shallow set of preconceptions, it would be a good idea to run things through the filter of common sense before posting them.

http://awdnews.com/top-news/turkish-int ... the-future

http://www.syrianews.cc/turkish-mit-chi ... ends-isis/

http://defence.pk/threads/turkish-intel ... re.340769/


I don't consider any of the above to be reliable sources, sorry. If the head of the Turkish intelligence service had really made a public statement in which he supported Daesh opening an embassy in Turkey, in a NATO member and US satellite country, trust me, it would be all over the mainstream media.
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Re: Russia conducts first air strike in Syria

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:51 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Incidentally, is anybody else watching the situation in Ramadi, where the Iraqi armed forces appear to be on the verge of launching an assault to liberate the city from Daesh?

The Russian media is reporting it, so it must be true!

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151 ... amadi.html


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I've seen reports from Iraqi and Western media that the Iraqis were preparing a Ground Offensive as far back as July this year.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... /30096897/

Apparently there are also very high hopes for its success.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-says-ira ... r-support/

Apparently the Iraqis are on the outskirts of the town.

http://www.ibtimes.com/iraqi-security-f ... ey-2141350
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Re: Russia conducts first air strike in Syria

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:52 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Turkish Intelligence Chief: Putin's Intervention in Syria is Against Islam <-- You won't believe this Turkish Islamic clown! :lol:
"ISIS is a reality and we have to accept that we cannot eradicate a well-organized and popular establishment such as the Islamic State; therefore I urge my western colleagues to revise their mindset about Islamic political currents, put aside their cynical mentalité and thwart Vladimir Putin's plans to crush Syrian Islamist revolutionaries," Anadolu News Agency quoted Mr. Fidan as saying on Sunday.

Fidan further added that in order to deal with the vast number of foreign Jihadists craving to travel to Syria, it is imperative that ISIS must set up a consulate or at least a political office in Istanbul. He underlined that it is Turkey's firm belief to provide medical care for all injured people fleeing Russian ruthless airstrikes regardless of their political or religious affiliation.

http://www.aina.org/news/20151018174226.htm


Anybody with the vaguest knowledge of Turkish politics would know that Hakan Fidan could not possibly make such a public statement. I can find no corroboration of it anywhere. In your urge to Google anything that supports your shallow set of preconceptions, it would be a good idea to run things through the filter of common sense before posting them.

http://awdnews.com/top-news/turkish-int ... the-future

http://www.syrianews.cc/turkish-mit-chi ... ends-isis/

http://defence.pk/threads/turkish-intel ... re.340769/


I don't consider any of the above to be reliable sources, sorry. If the head of the Turkish intelligence service had really made a public statement in which he supported Daesh opening an embassy in Turkey, in a NATO member and US satellite country, trust me, it would be all over the mainstream media.


Yeh you would assume we would hear about it and the USA would be pissed to say the least.

I guess this is what you get when they are grasping at straws.

DAESH opening an embassy in Turkey! All I can do is post smilies! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Russia conducts first air strike in Syria

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:42 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Incidentally, is anybody else watching the situation in Ramadi, where the Iraqi armed forces appear to be on the verge of launching an assault to liberate the city from Daesh?

The Russian media is reporting it, so it must be true!

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151 ... amadi.html


Image

I've seen reports from Iraqi and Western media that the Iraqis were preparing a Ground Offensive as far back as July this year.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... /30096897/

Apparently there are also very high hopes for its success.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-says-ira ... r-support/

Apparently the Iraqis are on the outskirts of the town.

http://www.ibtimes.com/iraqi-security-f ... ey-2141350


The thing is, initially a great many disaffected and alienated Sunnis welcomed Daesh with open arms as their saviours. If, at this initial stage, the USA had simply sent in massive forces to defeat Daesh, they would have been seen as the aggressors by many people locally and elsewhere in the Arab world and even if they had been able to secure a swift victory, this would have sowed the seeds of the next Islamist movement. It now seems that the population just about everywhere Daesh occupies has turned against them, with reports of rebellions and resistance movements springing up. There are also reports of demoralisation and internecine fighting in the ranks of the so-called jihadis. Apparently dysentery and cholera have become widespread where they have proclaimed their state - i.e. they are incapable even of providing basic sanitation as a so-called state. It breaks my heart to hear about the heinous crimes against humanity committed by this gang, but sadly the time may not have been ripe earlier for a liberation offensive to succeed. It looks different now, and the strategy of gradually training Iraqi forces to do the job looks like it was the best one.
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Re: Russia conducts first air strike in Syria

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:57 pm

There is a report of either Syrian or Russian planes bombing and destroying a Daesh convoy. Well done. I think this is the first credible report I have seen of an attack by the Assad/Putin alliance on Daesh, but, if so, I welcome it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34567997
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