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[Paphitis]

Which reminds me! Don't forget Australia's coalition for the liberation of East Timor which included the USA.

who did you liberate it from the east timorians, you dumb asshole. you murdered 200,000 people you savage.

East Timor, 1975 to present:
In December 1975, Indonesia invaded East Timor, which lies at the eastern end of the Indonesian archipelago, and which had proclaimed its independence after Portugal had relinquished control of it. The invasion was launched the day after U. S. President Gerald Ford and Secretary of State Henry Kissinger had left Indonesia after giving Suharto permission to use American arms, which, under U.S. Law, could not be used for aggression. Indonesia was Washington's most valuable tool in Southeast Asia.
Amnesty International estimated that by 1989, Indonesian troops, with the aim of forcibly annexing East Timor, had killed 200,000 people out of a population of between 600,000 and 700,000. The United States consistently supported Indonesia's claim to East Timor (unlike the UN and the EU), and downplayed the slaughter to a remarkable degree, at the same time supplying Indonesia with all the military hardware and training it needed to carry out the job.

Oh dear, but you see, Australia got them to join the coalition to liberate East Timor and we did that in 3 days.

The Indonesians must have done something to piss Australia off and they paid the price for it.

You see! We are the good guys!

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

Whilst I admire your abounding loyalty to the US, I think it is rooted in past events and somewhat misguided! This is the web site that Lordo is getting his statistics from ........... can't really argue with it as it is facts that you can easily verify elsewhere.

A Brief History of U.S. Interventions: 1945 to the Present ......... by William Blum

Z Magazine , June 1999

http://thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html

[Paphitis]

Paphitis:

Whilst I admire your abounding loyalty to the US, I think it is rooted in past events and somewhat misguided! This is the web site that Lordo is getting his statistics from ........... can't really argue with it as it is facts that you can easily verify elsewhere.

A Brief History of U.S. Interventions: 1945 to the Present ......... by William Blum

Z Magazine , June 1999

http://thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html

I don't deny they are facts but how many times were these interventions necessary in order to save the same country?

For instance, during the Greek Civil War, the USA had sent Greece an enourmous amount of aid in order to defeat Communist Guerrillas which were supported by Stalin and who were against the vast majority of the Greek populace.

And technically, most are not interventions strictly speaking. They only send aid and weapons, but they did not directly send troops to physically help Greece on the ground. It was all in the form of aid. And it is completely fair enough too. They have the right to assist some countries like Greece if they feel it is necessary. However, Stalin working to destabilize the country and ultimately take it over is far more criminal.

My loyalty RH is to Australia. The USA has been my countries best ally. We have benefitted from that relationship. As a result, we are willing to go to war on their side even against the Russians if something stupid happens in Syria. Thankfully, that is remote because the Rissians are looking to set up communication lines with the coalition and work together.

[Get Real!]

Paphitis:

Whilst I admire your abounding loyalty to the US,

There’s nothing admirable about those who offer unconditional love. They are the foolish kind who encourage and nurture corruption because nothing on this Earth is worthy of our unconditional love.

When they are wrong they are wrong and they should be punished regardless.

If you want love you gotta earn it and when you screw up you should lose it.

And that should include your spouse, your kids, your favorite football team, and your country.

[Paphitis]

Let's face it RH!

The choice should be very simple! Who would you choose.

During the Greek Civil War you had 2 sides. You had the Greek Government supported by USA and you had the Guerillas who were supported by Stalin!

Who would you choose. USA or Stalin? It's a no brainer!

As a Greek, and if I happened to live in Greece, I can see nothing worse than Greece succumbing to Stalin and a tyrant unparalleled and on par with Nazi Germany.

So of course, America's assistance and involvement saved Greece from a lot of pain.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis:

Whilst I admire your abounding loyalty to the US,

There’s nothing admirable about those who offer unconditional love. They are the foolish kind who encourage and nurture corruption because nothing on this Earth is worthy of our unconditional love.

When they are wrong they are wrong and they should be punished regardless.

If you want love you gotta earn it and when you screw up you should lose it.

And that should include your spouse, your kids, your favorite football team, and your country.

Sorry but I love my wife, kids and country unconditionally!

[Get Real!]

Sorry but I love my wife, kids and country unconditionally!

Spouses offered unconditional love become controlling and abusive, kids offered unconditional love evolve into adult trash, and nations offered unconditional love by the masses turn criminal. (See Israel)

Unconditional love demands enormous responsibility by the recipient but the vast majority of humans don’t possess the intellect to manage it and instead it gets to their heads and they become destructive and abusive.

God is the only entity worthy of unconditional love because he's the only one who can handle it with maturity and never use it as a weapon against you.

[Lordo]

here is another one.

Nicaragua, 1978-89:
When the Sandinistas overthrew the Somoza dictatorship in 1978, it was clear to Washington that they might well be that long-dreaded beast-"another Cuba." Under President Carter, attempts to sabotage the revolution took diplomatic and economic forms. Under Reagan, violence was the method of choice. For eight terribly long years, the people of Nicaragua were under attack by Washington's proxy army, the Contras, formed from Somoza's vicious National Guard and other supporters of the dictator. It was all-out war, aiming to destroy the progressive social and economic programs of the government, burning down schools and medical clinics, raping, torturing, mining harbours, bombing and strafing. These were Ronald Reagan's "freedom fighters." There would be no revolution in Nicaragua.

[Paphitis]

Sorry but I love my wife, kids and country unconditionally!

Spouses offered unconditional love become controlling and abusive, kids offered unconditional love evolve into adult trash, and nations offered unconditional love by the masses turn criminal. (See Israel)

Unconditional love demands enormous responsibility by the recipient but the vast majority of humans don’t possess the intellect to manage it and instead it gets to their heads and they become destructive and abusive.

God is the only entity worthy of unconditional love because he's the only one who can handle it with maturity and never use it as a weapon against you.

I don't agree with any of that.

I think most parents would stick by their kids no matter what. It also depends on how you raise them. Everyone is entitled to make mistakes and as long as they learn from them it is all ok. If you are there for your kids, they will always come round.

[Lordo]

Sorry but I love my wife, kids and country unconditionally!

Spouses offered unconditional love become controlling and abusive, kids offered unconditional love evolve into adult trash, and nations offered unconditional love by the masses turn criminal. (See Israel)

Unconditional love demands enormous responsibility by the recipient but the vast majority of humans don’t possess the intellect to manage it and instead it gets to their heads and they become destructive and abusive.

God is the only entity worthy of unconditional love because he's the only one who can handle it with maturity and never use it as a weapon against you.

I don't agree with any of that.

I think most parents would stick by their kids no matter what. It also depends on how you raise them. Everyone is entitled to make mistakes and as long as they learn from them it is all ok. If you are there for your kids, they will always come round.

you would protect your child even though you knew he has committed murder. this mother did not.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11862857/Mother-reported-son-to-police-for-murder-after-recognising-BBC-Crimewatch-reconstruction.html