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[Viewpoint]

Yes it's consistant but it also shows that no matter what the situation, you will always find an excuse for segregation. Therefore, how can anyone take your posts seriously when they all point to the same outcome no matter what.

Cyprus will eventually be reunited so you better get used to it or go house hunting in Turkey.

The same goes for you MS your rude with it as well so your better off staying in norf London mate, and watching from a distance as the partition continues.

You have to prove me wrong all i hear are he same old excuses you have to deal with reality not text book theories of how things should be.

[zan]

Yes it's consistant but it also shows that no matter what the situation, you will always find an excuse for segregation. Therefore, how can anyone take your posts seriously when they all point to the same outcome no matter what.

Cyprus will eventually be reunited so you better get used to it or go house hunting in Turkey.

When the GCs and the TCs meet at the border with flowers in their hair and candles in their hands and the politicians with their suitcases at the airport then my views will change. Just because a few of you say that you want unification, is that supposed to change my mind or is it the threats of Piratis in which you have joined in, or the dismissal by Kifeas.

[Kifeas]

Zan this is question for you and for Viewpoint as well. You already made your selves clear that you do not want re-unification and that you are pro-partition of the island. This is clear! You used many reasons and excuses to support this (your) partition objective, but I do not believe any one of them, and it is my right to do so. I say they are all lame excuses and the only real reason why you want partition is simply because Turkey grabbed in 1974 much more land (territory and properties) than what your fair share was and you simply want to keep it all, or most of it.

Prove me wrong by answering this simple question! Assuming that your property share is approximately equal to your population percentage, i.e. 18%, (I know it is even less than that, but I am willing as viewpoint says to have an independed evaluation,) are you willing to accept a reduction off the TC partitioned state down to this level? Yes or no!

[Viewpoint]

Zan this is question for you and for Viewpoint as well. You already made your selves clear that you do not want re-unification and that you are pro-partition of the island. This is clear. You use many reasons and excuses to support this partition objective, but I do not believe any one of them and it is my right to do so. I say they are all lame excuses and the only real reason why you want partition is because Turkey grabbed in 1974 much more land (territory and properties) than what your fair share is, and you simply want to keep it all, or most of it.

Prove me wrong by answering this simple question. Assuming that your property share is approximately equal to your population percentage, i.e. 18%, (I know it is even less than that, but I am willing as viewpoint says to have an independed evaluation,) are you willing to accept a reduction off the TC state down to this level? Yes or no!

YES/EVET/NEI

on the condition that if the property % assessment is around 26/29% you accept this?
In time you to will see that this is the only safe way forward.

[Kifeas]

Zan this is question for you and for Viewpoint as well. You already made your selves clear that you do not want re-unification and that you are pro-partition of the island. This is clear. You use many reasons and excuses to support this partition objective, but I do not believe any one of them and it is my right to do so. I say they are all lame excuses and the only real reason why you want partition is because Turkey grabbed in 1974 much more land (territory and properties) than what your fair share is, and you simply want to keep it all, or most of it.

Prove me wrong by answering this simple question. Assuming that your property share is approximately equal to your population percentage, i.e. 18%, (I know it is even less than that, but I am willing as viewpoint says to have an independed evaluation,) are you willing to accept a reduction off the TC state down to this level? Yes or no!

YES/EVET/NEI

on the condition that if the property % assessment is around 26/29% you accept this?
In time you to will see that this is the only safe way forward.

So the answer is yes, you are willing to accept a reduction of the TC state down to the property /population ration, even if this is around 18% or even less!

What about Zan? Does he also agree to this?

I also have a further question for you viewpoint, since you already agreed to the above. Do you also accept that the British bases area, which is around 3% of Cyprus, should be taked out of the equation? In other words, do you accept that the TC territory should be calculated on the basis of 97% of Cyprus instead of the 100%, in which case and if we assume that your share is 18%, it will become 17.45%?

[Kifeas]

Obviously Zan's refusal to answer the above question is a proof that what i said is essentially the case for him, namely that the reason he wants partition to remain the solution is only because his side and turkey grabbed much more land than what the TC fair share is. In other words he is an opportunist. Am I right? C'mon Zan, drop the veil!

[zan]

Give me time I am working on it now

[zan]

Kifeas

I know you are already thinking that he is going to make a meal of this but I have to point out a few things to you. If you were asking whether Turkey should accept 18% of the land then I would say to you that if the TCs were not there they would accept 5% of the land. Even 1% of the land will do as long as they could have a base to work from like the British and the Americans.

My point is that the TCs have to make whatever they get work. I have no knowledge what so ever in how much land that would constitute. If an agreement can be achieved where the TCs ands the GCs are happy with 18% then so be it. I just don’t believe that that sort of figure will be acceptable. There are also the questions of which part of Cyprus and how much air space etc, etc.

Don’t get me wrong I don’t think that separation will be the end all of the problems either. Things like air space and airport priorities will have to be controlled by both jointly for the sake of safety.

So the answer to your question is that if the TCs see that the 18% you offer is a viable proposition then yes.

I also have to say that when you put questions in the manner you have presented them here whether you think my motives are less than honest or not does not make a difference. If we trusted each other then there would be no Cyprus problem. And in the same tone I can be honest with you and tell you that I think that you and Piratis are just out to get as much as you can get because you have an axe to grind. I view that as my right to express as you have expressed yours and that is the whole problem. You and I need greater evidence in order to have that leap of faith that people like cypezokyli already have achieved although we are doing everything we can to make him rethink his whole mindset.

[Viewpoint]

Zan this is question for you and for Viewpoint as well. You already made your selves clear that you do not want re-unification and that you are pro-partition of the island. This is clear. You use many reasons and excuses to support this partition objective, but I do not believe any one of them and it is my right to do so. I say they are all lame excuses and the only real reason why you want partition is because Turkey grabbed in 1974 much more land (territory and properties) than what your fair share is, and you simply want to keep it all, or most of it.

Prove me wrong by answering this simple question. Assuming that your property share is approximately equal to your population percentage, i.e. 18%, (I know it is even less than that, but I am willing as viewpoint says to have an independed evaluation,) are you willing to accept a reduction off the TC state down to this level? Yes or no!

YES/EVET/NEI

on the condition that if the property % assessment is around 26/29% you accept this?
In time you to will see that this is the only safe way forward.

So the answer is yes, you are willing to accept a reduction of the TC state down to the property /population ration, even if this is around 18% or even less!

What about Zan? Does he also agree to this?

I also have a further question for you viewpoint, since you already agreed to the above. Do you also accept that the British bases area, which is around 3% of Cyprus, should be taked out of the equation? In other words, do you accept that the TC territory should be calculated on the basis of 97% of Cyprus instead of the 100%, in which case and if we assume that your share is 18%, it will become 17.45%?

Kifeas now you are being silly and trying to reduce us down to nothing which only goes to show how your brain works and what you think about the status of TCs and you appear hell bent on reducing them down to nothing. Union with a mindset like yours would be a disaster for us also bringing us down to zero. The land distribution could be independently evaluated taking into account all the disbuted areas and divided taking into account that we have to make it work, your idea and wish of reducing us down to a percentage where will have problems building our economy will not work. Im pretty certain many GC will be willing to sell property they have no use for and those that do not want to live in the north under a TC government.

We can argue the land distribution back and forth forever the key issue is the agreed seperation and 2 countries living side by side, rather than you worrying about having to share political power with me and me worrying about being just any minority group in my own country.

A clean break for all.

[ONURLU_1925]

TC killed GC too...what are you talking about you fool. Factions like the TMT did as much to cause chaos in Cyprus and it was the Turkish army who napalmed a Greek Cypriot village in the 1960's. You are just so used to propaganda you cant see through the shit you have been fed.

you have a mistake here main_source.
You said that Turkish army napalmed a Greek Cypriot village in the 1960's.
Napalmed places were EOKA's headquarters.
The date of bombardment was 11 August 1964.
In 6-11 August 1964; EOAK attacked to Tilirga, Mansura and Koççira zones. TCs villages in these zones were fired.
TCs ran away from EOKA cruelty and carnages and took refuge in Erenköy zone.
Before the bombardment, Turkey warned Makarios and said that if EOKA 's attacks continues, we will bombard their headquarters. Makarios did not pay attention to this warning.