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[Kifeas]

For sure you do not through innocent people out of their houses...

The intervention had only one right - to restore, to try to continue to compromise until there is a solution. However, we did not see much of that, did we... not even 5 minutes.

The intervention was not an intervention but an invasion, and it was an illegal one according to international law. Any military action against another sovereign UN member country and for whatever reason needs prior approval by the UN Security Council, as this is clearly stipulated in the UN Charter. Turkey in 1974 violated the UN Charter which it also signed, hence its UN membership status.

[Kifeas]

But if you have a constitution that was not working and both communites were hell bent on hidden agendas what do you do after intervention if you feel that trying to restore something that didnt work will not work in the future. Surely we have been trying albeit not willingly to find a compromise and solution that will not be a repeat of the mistakes of the past. The "RoC" constitiution for us is the past, it died in 1963.

It might have died for you in 1963, but apparently it did not die for the GCs, as well as the entire international community, the UN, the EU, the US and the UK and Greece who are the remaining two guarantor powers. If you feel you have a case, let's go to the International court of Hague to sort it out! We are ready to accept its ruling. Are you?

[Viewpoint]

But if you have a constitution that was not working and both communites were hell bent on hidden agendas what do you do after intervention if you feel that trying to restore something that didnt work will not work in the future. Surely we have been trying albeit not willingly to find a compromise and solution that will not be a repeat of the mistakes of the past. The "RoC" constitiution for us is the past, it died in 1963.

It might have died for you in 1963, but apparently it did not die for the GCs, as well as the entire international community, the UN, the EU, the US and the UK and Greece who are the remaining two guarantor powers. If you feel you have a case, let's go to the International court of Hague to sort it out! We are ready to accept its ruling. Are you?

We are paying the price with non recognition and isolation. But please consider that even under the current conditions TCs are still not willing to go back to your "RoC" and the constitution you so dearly cling onto, remember it was the GCs that opposed the constitution and tried to remove TCs agreed rights.


When will you realize that 1974 changed everything for us, we moved onto another and the 1960 agreements represent the bad times in our history. Whatever happens we need to produce a fresh start for all so that we can ensure that the same construction which nearly destroyed us in the past cannot be repeated in the future.

If for arguements sake we returned to the 1960 agreement and took our place I am 99.9% sure that GCs will attempt to remove the veto rights of TCs, using every means within their power to reduce us into just another minority. Well hear this we will never go back to those dark days where GCs could manipulate and control our community.
If we have any future together it will be on a partnership basis which discourages the domination of one community over the other.

[Kifeas]

then this continuous barrage of insults by hardliners like Piratis and Kifeas serves no purpose other than hardening negative stances between our 2 communities. Why doesnt the GC leadership take the lead as they are the recognized part of the island by allowing direct flights?

I did not insult anyone who has come here with a genuine desire to discuss in a civilized manner and sincerely exchange ideas as to how we go further from where we stand now and for the sake of re-unifying my country in a way that will be to the benefit of peace and prosperity of the people of Cyprus from both communities. I insulted fanatics, hardliners, liars, propagandists, partitionists, unionists and hardliners like you, Eric Dayi and all the rest -from both communities (as a mater of fact at least two of them from the GC community have been made to quite the forum,) and I will continue to do so in the future. In the past, fanatics and chauvinists like you, from both communities, have been left alone to contact their hate campaigns and engaged themselves in violent actions resulting to the division of this country. The rest of us, all the pro-peace, pro reconciliation, and pro Cyprus independence people from both communities remained silent and allowed fanatics like you to destroy this country. We will not allow you to do that again! The roles have been reversed now and we are in the offensive mode against you and your likes from both communities, until you either conform to the wishes of the majority of Cypriots, or be made to live this country for ever and go to live in your motherlands.

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If for arguements sake we returned to the 1960 agreement and took our place I am 99.9% sure that GCs will attempt to remove the veto rights of TCs, using every means within their power to reduce us into just another minority. ...

Send some guy over as the vice-president and you'll see Tassos running back to the table...

[Viewpoint]

Are you with us Kifeas or in cuckoo land, you are the hardliner who looks down on nearly everyone on this forum, many have at some time or another complained about your bad attitude towards other members ideas and posts.
You have your truths and anyone like me who challenges or expresses concerns ideas to the contrary are doomed to suffer your barrage of insults and demeaning verbal abuse.
If putting the safety of Cypriots above property rights means staying divided then I am what you state I am but hidding behind the smoke screen of saying you want to unite the island where TCs Cypriots are reduced to a status of just another minority group, then I will let other forum members decide what you are.

I try to always put my arguements forward in a polite manner but when faced with your bad attitude its only natural that I to from time to time lose my self control and may use scarcastic and inconsiderate language. Which is only with yourself and Piratis and maybe occassionally with Main-Source.

You paint yourself as the champion of reunificiation but your real intentions are very well known to all on this forum and other forums. You have lost a lot of money and therefore cannot make unbiased judgements on specific issues. Your hate for Turks and TCs is clear for all to see.

You give me no reason to look to the future and see or desire a united island I can only hope that people like you are a very small minority but unfortunately for Cyprus I belive this is not the case. Maybe over the coming years peope like you will mellow enough to compromise and seek a real solution to which we can all commit.

[Main_Source]

Same excuse VP has used for segregation since I joined this forum.

[Viewpoint]

Same excuse VP has used for segregation since I joined this forum.

Id call that consistent wouldnt you say??? please feel free to take measures to prove me wrong MS.

[zan]

I insulted fanatics, hardliners, liars, propagandists, partitionists, unionists and hardliners like you,

And any body else that is not in tune with you. How can you contradict your self so blatantly and still keep a straight face. You say you want to discuss things and as soon as someone even hints at a different approach you start with the name-calling. These traits are so very Cypriot that I sometimes laugh at them but mostly they disturb me because I have grown up with these bigoted people all my life. The Cypriot mind seems to come to point when it can no longer think of a different way and sets its self in stone. [/quote]

[Main_Source]

Yes it's consistant but it also shows that no matter what the situation, you will always find an excuse for segregation. Therefore, how can anyone take your posts seriously when they all point to the same outcome no matter what.

Cyprus will eventually be reunited so you better get used to it or go house hunting in Turkey.