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Xenides-Aresti Vs Turkey - ECHR decision

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Postby Main_Source » Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:18 am

Lets pull out another word from the sky...how about 'racist'.

...says the Turkish nationalist Onurlu.
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Postby ONURLU_1925 » Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:04 am

racist is a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others. . based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks". . discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion.

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Postby Main_Source » Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:32 am

did u cut and paste that from the Oxford Dictionary?
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Postby ONURLU_1925 » Wed Dec 28, 2005 2:17 am

Yeeeeees :P :P :P
Now, did I inform you?
Do you know what does racist mean now. my cultured friend? :) :) :)
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Postby Main_Source » Wed Dec 28, 2005 4:49 pm

lol about calling me racist...this is purely a political argument.l

One thing that may sound racist though (even though its the truth) is that I have seen so many Turks on here who dont know the meaning of 'ethnic cleansing', 'genocide', 'racism'....they just pull words out of the sky in order to back up their weak arguments.
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Postby ONURLU_1925 » Wed Dec 28, 2005 6:24 pm

main_source please back up your excellent arguments with neutral sources, for example please give evidences to prove TMT's terror. TMT was the responce to EOKA only. TMT defendend TCs against EOKA's genocide.
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Postby pg » Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:47 pm

Still, you can not really have one terror group defend against another one - and say that anyone was right...
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Dec 28, 2005 10:14 pm

So pg what were Turkish Cypriots supposed to do? wait for their fate at the hands of EOKA terrorists? Well forgive my community for feeling threatened at the hands of these murders, surely its was their right to retaliate and defend themselves.
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Postby ONURLU_1925 » Wed Dec 28, 2005 10:25 pm

Main_Source wrote:arghhh u fool. THERE IS NO LEGAL COUNTRY CALLED 'TRNC'.


Are you angry my friend? Please calm down :lol:
According to your ideas, TRNC is recognised by Turkey only so it is illegal for you.
However, South Cyprus is not recognised by Turkey so it is illegal for me.
It is your point of view.

Let's give up personal views and look at the internationial laws and declarations.
On the other hand, international Zurich and London declarations define TRNC's legality. TRNC is legal according to these declarations. Your countries signed these declarations. In addition to these declarations , Turkey, Greece and England signed Guarantee Declaration;
(http://www.hri.org/Cyprus/Cyprus_Problem/treaty.html)

So Guarantee Declaration says;
(b) Treaty of Guarantee between the Republic of Cyprus and Greece, the United Kingdom and Turkey;

ARTICLE 1
The Republic of Cyprus undertakes to ensure the maintenance of its independence, territorial integrity and security, as well as respect for its Constitution. It undertakes not to participate, in whole or in part, in any political or economic union with any State whatsoever. With this intent it prohibits all activity tending to promote directly or indirectly either union or partition of the Island.
ARTICLE 2
Greece the United Kingdom and Turkey, taking note of the undertakings by the Republic of Cyprus embodied in Article 1, recognize and guarantee the independence, territorial integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus, and also the provisions of the basic articles of its Constitution. They likewise undertake to prohibit, as far as lies within their power, all activity having the object of promoting directly or indirectly either the union of the Republic of Cyprus with any other State, or the partition of the Island.

ARTICLE 3
In the event of any breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, the United Kingdom, and Turkey undertake to consult together, with a view to making representations, or taking the necessary steps to ensure observance of those provisions. In so far as common or concerted action may prove impossible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim Of re-establishing the state of affairs established by the present Treaty.

Especially, article 3 gives Turkey the intervention right to Cyprus. That's why I wrote article 3 in bold form.

So not only independence of TRNC is legal but also Turkish Intervention was legal according to international declarations.

If there is an illegality, it belongs to Greece, England, etc.
Maybe we can call it as dishonesty, because of forget signs on declarations.
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Postby Main_Source » Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:06 pm

Article 3 does not say Turkey is allowed to permanently occupy any of the island and ethnically cleanse it of Greek and Maronite Cypriots.

I dont even know why I bother replying to morons such as yourself.
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