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[Londonrake]

How convenient ........ INIT ?

With all those US ships in the area why would the Iranians chose a Japanese vessel? Surely if it was Iran the US will punish them anyway so a US aircraft carrier would have been a far more satisfying target in that case>

An update:

https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/73216/2-tankers-damaged-after-torpedo-attack-near-strait-of-hormuz-oil.html

Convenient to who? Why?

Where does blacklistednews (that "independent" site) and "Zerohedge" get their information from? Do they have people on the ground (or perhaps sea)?

The last I heard the Abraham Lincoln and most of the US 5th fleet deployment were in the Arabian sea. You have a very naive view of just how hard it is to attack a capital ship like that. You seem to think it's merely a case of deciding to - and that's it. Not so easy, especially when you've virtually no air capability and most of your navy consists of coastal FPBs with the target in a very capable 20 ship flotilla quite a long way off - somewhere or other (who knows where?) - at sea. Do you have any idea of the layered defence around a carrier like that? I suspect it's as definitive as my knowledge of petrochemical engineering in the ME. Tap, tap, tap. Ohh, wait, there you go, I'm an authority!

Hypothetically. To carry out such an attack though would of course be an overt act leading immediately to war. Mmmmm - bet that ideas got your juices flowing! You ole war-monger you. "War is about old men talking and young men dying".

Perhaps we will get a better idea of what this is about over the next week or so. Before doing the usual lusting-after-war thing.

I do miss Yialousa's almost weekly posts. About some Russian jobsworth in Syria with absolutely definitive information that there would be a "false flag" chemical weapon attack - soon. Where did all that go?

In this case we do have an important clue though. We are looking for a culprit who can't spell "sunk" or "Oman".

[Robin Hood]

repulsewarrior:

Iran, Russia, and Turkey, as it is, all three must be confronted if there is conflict militarily

Yes of course ...... but what about US, NATO, Israel, Saudi and other allied Sates? They are also part of the equation and the rhetoric since even before the US pulled out of the Iran agreement, was all to demonise Iran for their 'malign' activities .... whatever that means ........ what those activities are is not clear.

It is why Cypriots have been put in a position where they must pick a side. It appears to be the reason Turkey will aim her S-400s southward. It is as much about the balance of power, as it is the crisis that looms over the political leadership of these three countries; that they are facing internally, having expansionist plans. No doubt, their adversaries will take advantage of this weakness, one hopes without compromising the Universal Principals and the Rule of Law they are bound to respect.

If Turkey sees the threat as being likely from the South then pointing them in that direction seems logical? But why they have decided that is where the threat is coming from I don't have a clue. I can't think for one minute they see RoC as any credible threat!

...it is worrisome, who, will declare war and for what reason.

CUT BONO? Is it to Iran's advantage to attack ships in the Gulf? Unless of course the Iranians are following up on their threat that "If Iran cannot export its oil products through the Persian Gulf ...... then nobody will!"

An independent analysis .........

Today's Attacks On Ships In The Gulf Of Oman Are Not In Iran's Interest - Or Are They?- Moon of Alabama

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/06/todays-attacks-on-ships-in-the-gulf-of-oman-are-not-in-irans-interest.html#more

[Londonrake]

Where does "Moon of Alabama" get his information from? Who is he? Is he any different to somebody like you, setting up your own website then spending all day, trawling for news articles (The MSM? Heaven forbid!). Selecting those which suit his agenda (confirmation bias), then publishing them as "authoritative". You're missing out mate. You could perhaps be making serious money from donations and the people in St Petersburgh might even help out, on occasions. Why settle for just being a useful idiot?

Isn't it possible, that given recent events (Trump) all this is a "message"? I can't see another explanation - but then I don't subscribe to any of the "thinking outside the box" sites.

The Iranian government denying any involvement is entirely credible. The Revolutionary Guard are an all-powerful force in the country but totally controlled by the "Supreme Leader", Ali Khamenei. Otherwise known on Earth as the (theocratic) dictator of the place. They're not at all answerable to Rohani and his "government," who quite conceivably haven't got a bleedin' clue what they get up to.

One thing it suggest to me is............................... the sanctions are already really hurting.

[Robin Hood]

LR:

Where does "Moon of Alabama" get his information from? Who is he?

How about .........

I believe you have referenced this media bias/fact checking site in the past?

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/moon-of-alabama/

Moon of Alabama utilizes factually mixed sources such as RT News, Fox News, as well as credible sources such as Bloomberg, NY Times, Haaretz, The Jerusalem Post, Politico, cisac.fsi.stanford.edu and blogs such as johnhelmer.org. Generally, all information is sourced properly with hyperlinks to mostly known media sources.

Overall, we rate Moon of Alabama Left Biased based on story selection and word choices that consistently favor progressives and Mixed factually due to anonymity associated with who runs the site. Otherwise, Moon of Alabama is well sourced to credible/factual information. (M. Huitsing 6/6/2018)

Your favourite source The Telegraph ..................

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-telegraph/

The Telegraph regularly utilizes emotionally loaded language in their headlines and source poorly, either through quotations or self referral sourcing to themselves. They also routinely publish click bait tabloid style news such as “Is this workout the secret to Jennifer Aniston’s youthful physique at 50?” and crime stories in their News section: “Libby Squire suspect charged with stealing sex toys and knickers from other women months before the disappearance of student.”

Recently, The Telegraph issued an apology letter to Melania Trump for publishing false statements regarding her family and her modeling career and also agreed to pay substantial damages’ over the article they published about the First Lady.

The U.K’s independent fact checker, Full Fact, has found several false claims by The Telegraph.

Overall, we rate the The Telegraph Right Biased based on story selection that strongly favours the right and Mixed for factual reporting due to poor sourcing of information and some failed fact checks. (7/19/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 2/11/2019)

So, ..... LEFT vs RIGHT ..... no surprise here then!

MoA way out-rates The Telegraph in virtually every aspect of news reporting. Makes your criticism’s of the MoA site look a bit silly when you compare it with your source, and the suggestion MoA is a Kremlin mouthpiece even more stupid

Oh, BTW MoA is ‘free’ to the reader as is all the information (Although I have made a couple of small contributions ) ….......... you pay the Telegraph to mislead you but you obviously like it that way ..... so to be told something nearer the truth sometimes hurts!.

Now who's got the better news source you or me? Maybe, don't knock it until you've tried it eh ?

[Londonrake]

So, ..... LEFT vs RIGHT ..... no surprise here then!

MoA way out-rates The Telegraph in virtually every aspect of news reporting. Makes your criticism’s of the MoA site look a bit silly when you compare it with your source, and the suggestion MoA is a Kremlin mouthpiece even more stupid

Oh, BTW MoA is ‘free’ to the reader as is all the information (Although I have made a couple of small contributions ) ….......... you pay the Telegraph to mislead you but you obviously like it that way ..... so to be told something nearer the truth sometimes hurts!.

Now who's got the better news source you or me? Maybe, don't knock it until you've tried it eh ?

But - I haven't quoted or linked to the Telegraph.

I have to disappoint. I'm afraid that my post was based upon my own opinion, albeit gleaned from numerous sources, none of which you would find acceptable of course (although, it's OK for you to use them now and then). Moon of Alabama is just like all your other "independent" sites. It's entirely anti-west orientated. And - as you seem to indicate - he actually knows sweet fanny adams from personal experience. He's just somebody who sits at his keyboard - like us - and harvests information from numerous sources. Then disseminates selected bits of it to people looking to have their prejudices confirmed. The only difference seems to be that he does it for a living. Quite lucrative as well, I should think.

Promoting such a site to "authoritative" is risible. You're having a laugh - surely? The fact that you've made contributions just confirms things to me. I mean, sitting there in front of your keyboard, at an end of the Med, exactly WTF do you think you really know? And that's exactly what he's doing!! You people feed off each other.

The Iranians have denied anything to do with these incidents - just like the Russians always do - so obviously, to you, it's nothing to do with them. "Thinking outside the box" - yes?

BTW - an aside. In the bizarre dimension that yourself and similar others populate, does anybody ever actually attack their enemies? Or, is it always a case that they only attack themselves or their allies, to make their enemies look bad.

Hey - sorry - I normally post this stuff after your early bedtime. I know how you tend to loose sleep. I look forward to your 6am - ish reply. Well, not really. Why don't you take a bludgeoning rest. A day off. I'm sure we could both do with it.

[repulsewarrior]

https://www.marinelog.com/news/video-ir ... paign=4702

VIDEO: Iranians remove unexploded limpet mine from tanker

...is this video shot from a satellite?

[Robin Hood]

https://www.marinelog.com/news/video-iranians-remove-unexploded-limpet-mine-from-tanker/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4702

VIDEO: Iranians remove unexploded limpet mine from tanker

...is this video shot from a satellite?

IMO: I doubt it! Too close, too steady and changes angle .......... more likely a drone or a helicopter.

It also lacks a date/time stamp so we don't know when or where it was taken. Could be the Iranian revolutionary guard ..... I always thought they used these 'boggaman'(?) cathedral hulled aluminium speed boats with two large outboards. This looks more like a sports boat.

Who dunnit? Could be anyone with an interest in starting a war!

[Robin Hood]

Londonrake

But - I haven't quoted or linked to the Telegraph.

I have to disappoint. I'm afraid that my post was based upon my own opinion, albeit gleaned from numerous sources, none of which you would find acceptable of course (although, it's OK for you to use them now and then). Moon of Alabama is just like all your other "independent" sites. It's entirely anti-west orientated. And - as you seem to indicate - he actually knows sweet fanny adams from personal experience. He's just somebody who sits at his keyboard - like us - and harvests information from numerous sources. Then disseminates selected bits of it to people looking to have their prejudices confirmed. The only difference seems to be that he does it for a living. Quite lucrative as well, I should think.

Promoting such a site to "authoritative" is risible. You're having a laugh - surely? The fact that you've made contributions just confirms things to me. I mean, sitting there in front of your keyboard, at an end of the Med, exactly WTF do you think you really know? And that's exactly what he's doing!! You people feed off each other.

The Iranians have denied anything to do with these incidents - just like the Russians always do - so obviously, to you, it's nothing to do with them. "Thinking outside the box" - yes?

BTW - an aside. In the bizarre dimension that yourself and similar others populate, does anybody ever actually attack their enemies? Or, is it always a case that they only attack themselves or their allies, to make their enemies look bad.

Hey - sorry - I normally post this stuff after your early bedtime. I know how you tend to loose sleep. I look forward to your 6am - ish reply. Well, not really. Why don't you take a bludgeoning rest. A day off. I'm sure we could both do with it.

So the media/fact bias site has it all wrong about MoA and we should go by your opinion ..... which is obviously not influenced by the Telegraph at all but based on your completely unbiased research/sourcing and extensive personal experience? Which is .......

If he is relying on people like me to support him ..... it was not a good business decision. Now ..... how much do you pay the Telegraph for their 'intelligence' ?

[Paphitis]

Oh shit! We are all gonna die!

[Londonrake]

If he is relying on people like me to support him ..... it was not a good business decision. Now ..... how much do you pay the Telegraph for their 'intelligence' ?

Nice try. My view isn't so easily discounted though. Your Moonshine bloke is just like you - although he spends a lot more time doing it. He doesn't have any real access to information. He trawls for it - then selects that which suits his agenda. As do you and most of your "independent" sites.

Are you ever going to address a simple point? Do you seriously expect folk to accept views from sites which are entirely populated by people churning out anti-West/Israel articles? Don't you think that would be a bit naive?

Seriously mate. You spend far too much time on those sites. It will fuck you up mentally. Just like Brenton Tarrant. It's an addictive drug. Ease off. A waste of breathe - I know.

As far as I'm concerned. Yes, I do subscribe to the DT. Although, unlike your view, it isn't my only port of call. I actually subscribe to others. Just between the two of us - I like the DT mainly because I love Matt. Also, a hobby of mine is going through the comments. Sometimes far more interesting than the actual articles. After several years I pride myself on knowing quite a few of the St Petersburgh trolls. I enjoy pointing that out to them. Even when they log back in under a different nom de plume I can still recognise the style. They must hate me. Well, just like you sometimes have.