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by **Maximus** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:24 pm

As the Obama administration prepares to present a draft resolution to legislators is far from “limited” in scope and would actually grease the skids for a war of indefinite duration, John Kerry and other officials State Department reported that Obama will simply ignore Congress if they vote no, and launch the attack anyway.

Many US military personnel are against fighting alongside Al Qaeda and other rebel militant groups in Syria's civil war.

Military personnel are posting pictures of themselves online holding signs saying;

"I did not join the military to get involved in other countries civil wars. Stay out of Syria"

"Obama, I will not deploy to fight for your Al Qaeda rebels in Syria. Wake up people"

http://www.inspiretochangeworld.com/201 ... ialnetwork

by **Paphitis** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 3:05 pm

Meanwhile,

Australian Jets have entered the war in Syria. The first sorties in Syria have commenced involving Australian AWACS and F-18 Super Hornets. Targets were engaged and destroyed.

Australian Troops are also deoying in Kurdish Controlled areas of Northern and Eastern Syria.

by **Paphitis** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 3:10 pm

In addition 4 Australian Destroyers and Frigates are headed into the Eastern Mediterranean for Naval Exercises with the 5 Fleet scheduled to take place this month. There seems to be a massive buildup going on! Some French and Canadian Ships are also joining the party.

Anyone aware of anything?

by **Robin Hood** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 3:31 pm

Paphitis wrote:In addition 4 Australian Destroyers and Frigates are headed into the Eastern Mediterranean for Naval Exercises with the 5 Fleet scheduled to take place this month. There seems to be a massive buildup going on! Some French and Canadian Ships are also joining the party.

Anyone aware of anything?

Try reading the link in the first post ..... it should give you a clue. Maybe this is why the Russians are also building up in Syria? Er ........ didn't this happen a couple of years ago when Putin got Assad to agree to the destruction of all his chemical weapons and stop a US/French plan to bomb him out of office? I wonder what Putin will pull out of the hat this time to stop another plan for regime change and thus prevent the US starting WWIII? :roll:

by **Paphitis** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 3:42 pm

Robin Hood wrote:
Paphitis wrote:In addition 4 Australian Destroyers and Frigates are headed into the Eastern Mediterranean for Naval Exercises with the 5 Fleet scheduled to take place this month. There seems to be a massive buildup going on! Some French and Canadian Ships are also joining the party.

Anyone aware of anything?

Try reading the link in the first post ..... it should give you a clue. Maybe this is why the Russians are also building up in Syria? Er ........ didn't this happen a couple of years ago when Putin got Assad to agree to the destruction of all his chemical weapons and stop a US/French plan to bomb him out of office? I wonder what Putin will pull out of the hat this time to stop another plan for regime change and thus prevent the US starting WWIII?

Oh yes I missed that.

It all looks like a very happy reunion. The Russians paid us a visit a few months ago so we thought we would just pop buy and say hello.

We will need to issue a NOTAM of our own so that Civil Aviation remains clear and safe.

by **Paphitis** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:58 am

Maximus wrote:As the Obama administration prepares to present a draft resolution to legislators is far from “limited” in scope and would actually grease the skids for a war of indefinite duration, John Kerry and other officials State Department reported that Obama will simply ignore Congress if they vote no, and launch the attack anyway.

Many US military personnel are against fighting alongside Al Qaeda and other rebel militant groups in Syria's civil war.

Military personnel are posting pictures of themselves online holding signs saying;

"I did not join the military to get involved in other countries civil wars. Stay out of Syria"

"Obama, I will not deploy to fight for your Al Qaeda rebels in Syria. Wake up people"

http://www.inspiretochangeworld.com/201 ... ialnetwork

The article is hubrus.

There is no US Military Revolt against Obama.

All you have is some uneducated people who became soldiers, express their own opinion whilst hiding their identity behind a piece of paper. All this whilst being very ignorant about the situation in Syria.

They are indeed in the wrong game. Soldiers don't have an opinion that is to be expressed in the public domain. The only thing that remains is for them to resign from the Military and take up politics where they can freely express such opinions. The behavior of these soldiers is disgraceful and is conduct unbecoming to even contemplate a revolt against The Commander-in-chief.

Not only this, but if the USA and allies commit Ground Troops in the war in Syria, they will not be fighting on the same side as DAESH, Al Qaeda, FSA or anyone else. If the article said Kurds, then perhaps it would be correct. There is not even a plan (as yet) that these forces will be used against the Assad regime. There is no evidence at all that this will occur, and surely the coalition would have started to bomb Syrian Controlled areas by now if it were true. The coalition would not deploy the troops against Assad before waging a lengthy air campaign to degrade all his infrastructure and resources. So that is not on the cards for the moment.

The troops would engage terrorist targets, and that would include DAESH and any Al Qaeda affiliated groups such as Al Nusra.

by **Robin Hood** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:06 pm

Paphitis:

There is not even a plan (as yet) that these forces will be used against the Assad regime. There is no evidence at all that this will occur, and surely the coalition would have started to bomb Syrian Controlled areas by now if it were true. The coalition would not deploy the troops against Assad before waging a lengthy air campaign to degrade all his infrastructure and resources. So that is not on the cards for the moment.

Firstly: This plan has been in the pipeline for at least 15 years and Syria along with Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Lebanon and Iran are also on the planning schedule for regime changes to those more compliant with US plans for the area. (So far ...... 5 down and 2 to go!!!!) Remember, the road to Tehran passes through Damascus. This was not a whistle-blower’s release but a statement by a US General.

Secondly: The US/NATO does not need to wage a lengthy air campaign to degrade Assad’s defensive capability! They have the Israeli’s doing it for them on a regular basis. Of course you won’t read this on the MSM but there are a host of independent sources that give the information daily of various airstrikes by Israel into Syria, in fact a few days ago the Syrians bought down an Israeli F-?? With a Russian missile.

If you look at events since Afghanistan you may have noticed that the US no longer fights wars it merely manages and directs them, it gets other idiots to do it for them. They have Europe/NATO dealing with Ukraine and various other wars and Saudi/Israel dealing with Yemen. The US supplies the weapons to Israel who deliver them to Saudi or will deliver certain munitions by air, directly if the Saudi’s don’t have the correct resources to do so.

I can’t understand why you hold the US on such a tall pedestal?

I read a recent article which stated that the US now has 1500 military bases in over 150 countries (Excluding the US itself). China and Russia had 5 between them, although the Russian bases in Vietnam and Syria were bunkering ports only and have now ceased to function, and a third one is Sevastopol in Crimes? I think just simple common sense says that the country intent on aggression world wide is the US ........... along with a subservient NATO. :roll:

by **Paphitis** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:35 pm

Robin Hood wrote:Paphitis:
There is not even a plan (as yet) that these forces will be used against the Assad regime. There is no evidence at all that this will occur, and surely the coalition would have started to bomb Syrian Controlled areas by now if it were true. The coalition would not deploy the troops against Assad before waging a lengthy air campaign to degrade all his infrastructure and resources. So that is not on the cards for the moment.

Firstly: This plan has been in the pipeline for at least 15 years and Syria along with Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Lebanon and Iran are also on the planning schedule for regime changes to those more compliant with US plans for the area. (So far ...... 5 down and 2 to go!!!!) Remember, the road to Tehran passes through Damascus. This was not a whistle-blower’s release but a statement by a US General.

Secondly: The US/NATO does not need to wage a lengthy air campaign to degrade Assad’s defensive capability! They have the Israeli’s doing it for them on a regular basis. Of course you won’t read this on the MSM but there are a host of independent sources that give the information daily of various airstrikes by Israel into Syria, in fact a few days ago the Syrians bought down an Israeli F-?? With a Russian missile.

If you look at events since Afghanistan you may have noticed that the US no longer fights wars it merely manages and directs them, it gets other idiots to do it for them. They have Europe/NATO dealing with Ukraine and various other wars and Saudi/Israel dealing with Yemen. The US supplies the weapons to Israel who deliver them to Saudi or will deliver certain munitions by air, directly if the Saudi’s don’t have the correct resources to do so.

I can’t understand why you hold the US on such a tall pedestal? I read a recent article which stated that the US now has 1500 military bases in over 150 countries (Excluding the US itself). China and Russia had 5 between them, although the Russian bases in Vietnam and Syria were bunkering ports only and have now ceased to function, and a third one is Sevastopol in Crimes? I think just simple common sense says that the country intent on aggression world wide is the US ........... along with a subservient NATO.

Robin Hood,

I disagree with you but at least you make a really good effort to analyze events rather than have an irrational dislike against the USA like so many here.

It is true we want regime me change in Syria but at a time that will suit us which invariably means a transition to a stable handover to moderates and not some Islamist extremists like DAESH, or other groups. That is not in our interests at all, neither is a 20 year war containing these crazy elements. Assad is a lot more easier to handle.

This is the Sping RH. Yes the Arab Spring was hijacked by extremists, and we lost 2 puppets of our own.

Also, the IAF has not been waging an extensive campaign to degrade the regime. It has conducted airstrikes in Syria but these strikes were against Al Nusra elements who control most of the Syrian and Israeli border and who regularly fire upon IDF positions in the Golan Heights.

You mentioned that Syrian Forces have shot down an IAF jet. Can you provide some information please? Where and when? What missile was used and what happened to the Israeli Pilot? The Israelis would want him back? Has he been returned to Israel?

by **Paphitis** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:42 pm

Oh and I forgot to answer one of your questions.

I do not place the USA on a pedestal. I in fact criticize them often in real life.

But they are our ally. A very important ally. They have been very good to us. Extremely good in fact and even saved us from a terrible invasion. They collaborate and assist us on so many levels. They respect us even when we are not that respectful towards them.

As a strategic partner, there is nothing they would not do for us.

And even with all their issues (gun control, arrogance at times), they are a hell of a lot better than Putin's Russia or silly repressive regimes like Assad. Hands down better it is silly even comparing.

As I said, they are a strategic partner of immense importance. However, Canada and Australia are much closer along with NZ. These countries have a much more special relationship so much so, we exchange Military personnel. Not uncommon for instance for a RAAF jet being flown by a Canadian or a RCAF jet being flown by an Australian. We also have mixed mixed crews on aircraft.