I would suggest cleaning up the naming a bit - EOKA and EOKA-B.
I beleive most people would agree that the fight for independence from the UK is always a right - and this was channalised through EOKA with massive support. In that sense everyone need to be a bit careful when using the term EOKA - most people are proud of their independense struggles.
In paranthesis, a more 'Gandhi style' independence struggle would probably have proven more fruitful for Cyprus..., but that is much longer discussion.
Now, after independence anyone breaking the laws, using violence to reach political goals should most probably termed terrorists, and be handled by the police. These are EOKA-B and TMT, etc. Now that fact that most terrorists of EOKA-B had earlier on been part also of EOKA should not taint the image of EOKA.
So, I suggest that when, especially, Turkish Cypriots use the term "EOKA" they are a bit more careful. There is nothing good coming out of mixing the two; EOKA and EOKA-B.
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by ONURLU_1925 » Wed Dec 28, 2005 8:32 pm
21 December 1963: EOKA's Akritas Plan started. It dependen on destroy Turkish population in Cyprus.
22-26 December 1963 Bloody Christmas on Cyprus: Greek Cypriot members of the EOKA organization which was established to annex Cyprus to Greece, started attacks against the Turkish Cypriots. In Bloody Christmas, hundreds TCs were murdered, thousands were wounded.
6-11 August 1964; EOAK attacked to Tilirga, Mansura and Koççira zones. TCs villages in these zones were fired.
TCs ran away from EOKA cruelty and carnages and took refuge in Erenköy zone.
21 April 1966: EOKA declared Akritas Plan in Patris (GC Newspaper) and called all GCs to support Akritas Plan.
15 November 1967: EOKA attacked Boğaziçi and Geçitkale Villages, 26 TCs were murdered ve 230 TCs were captured.
Yes, when we use the term "EOKA", we must be a bit careful.
22-26 December 1963 Bloody Christmas on Cyprus: Greek Cypriot members of the EOKA organization which was established to annex Cyprus to Greece, started attacks against the Turkish Cypriots. In Bloody Christmas, hundreds TCs were murdered, thousands were wounded.
6-11 August 1964; EOAK attacked to Tilirga, Mansura and Koççira zones. TCs villages in these zones were fired.
TCs ran away from EOKA cruelty and carnages and took refuge in Erenköy zone.
21 April 1966: EOKA declared Akritas Plan in Patris (GC Newspaper) and called all GCs to support Akritas Plan.
15 November 1967: EOKA attacked Boğaziçi and Geçitkale Villages, 26 TCs were murdered ve 230 TCs were captured.
Yes, when we use the term "EOKA", we must be a bit careful.
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by ONURLU_1925 » Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:31 pm
I'm sorry but the establishment date of EOKA-B was 28 August 1971. lol-
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by pg » Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:56 pm
In the same sence EOKA (A) was only active '55 to '59.
However, the extremists in EOKA-B had most likely also been (a small) part of EOKA, which means that from '60 until Grivas came back in '71 they were roaming nameless - possibly assossiated with Akritas. However, when they needed a name they stole the old one used in the independence fight.
However, the extremists in EOKA-B had most likely also been (a small) part of EOKA, which means that from '60 until Grivas came back in '71 they were roaming nameless - possibly assossiated with Akritas. However, when they needed a name they stole the old one used in the independence fight.
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by ONURLU_1925 » Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:11 am
pg wrote:In the same sence EOKA (A) was only active '55 to '59.
However, the extremists in EOKA-B had most likely also been (a small) part of EOKA, which means that from '60 until Grivas came back in '71 they were roaming nameless - possibly assossiated with Akritas. However, when they needed a name they stole the old one used in the independence fight.
You claim that EOKA was not a terrorist organization and the extremists in EOKA-B, had most likely been in part of EOKA.
So, these extremists had used the name of EOKA until they established EOKA-B.
Do we agree with this?
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by pg » Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:31 am
The large popular support that was extended to EOKA was never for these extremists. When the official EOKA declared a cease fire in '59, and desolved the 'fight' these extremists you mention fell out with both the Makarios goverment and mainstream politics.
If some idiot were to go around in year 2006 and commit crimes claiming he is doing it as EOKA it would still not mean that you can load that onto the organisation that fought for independence in 55-59.
In short, it does not really matter what the extremists called themself before they officially took the name EOKA-B.
If some idiot were to go around in year 2006 and commit crimes claiming he is doing it as EOKA it would still not mean that you can load that onto the organisation that fought for independence in 55-59.
In short, it does not really matter what the extremists called themself before they officially took the name EOKA-B.
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by ONURLU_1925 » Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:34 am
I won't agree with your ideas. But I respect your ideas. I think that EOKA militants were also terrorists after 1960, you know.
I have told you that Andreas Dimitriu's confessions couple days ago, EOKA-B terrorist. He has told Alithia (in 21 November 2004) EOKA-B carnages. Someone does similar carnages, he/she will find itself in Hague blaming for humanity crime.
...Mari was a Turkish emplacement since ’63 and any of the Cypriot-Greeks couldn’t enter in. A command was came to CNGA in Mari regarding the Turks to be arrested who were in the fightable ages and to be gathered in the schools and cafés, and then to move to a prisoners’ camp in Limassol. We collected all the fightable Cypriot-Turkish men in a café...
...So, we went for collecting Tohni people, we were consisting of a few volunteer policemen. We took about 15 peoples to the school…
...According to told me by the villagers who were there also he got on the bus to take them (arrested people) to Limassol – that at the end they would be murdered. When I returned home learned that they and the others were brought to the prisoners’ camp by busses...
...I have learned from Mr. Küçük who was a Turk from Mari that they were taken with two busses, raked with gunfire, and only a person survived and went to Eoiskopi. I asked him to go and confirm that event. He went and found him in Eoiskopi. I didn’t know this young. I only knew his father who was very long and his name was Kafadar. This young said to Mr Küçük they were taken to a place near Limassol, were given cigarettes to smoke, were told to sit down and then raked with gunfire. Everybody fallen down on the ground then they fired on the heads one by one. The young was next to his father. He survived because the executer’s bullets were finished. Father’s brain had spread out on his son’s head...
...When I was walking in the Turkish quarter on a day a couple of years ago I realized some people from the country administration were destroying a house to get its stones and tiles. I stopped and said them this was not right. Then they said me they had told the same to their superiors but got the answer as “The Turks died, there is no need their houses”. I said them they were in pitiable case because they say like this. It was a nice house with entrance and floor. It was Sevkettin’s house whose job was stone-dressing. A lot of houses of Cypriot-Turks collapsed by itself because they were oldest but most of them destroyed by country administration for stones and tiles...
...Killers murdered their victims and buried them in the mass grave near to Murataga that was found by the Lost Search Committee. Their corpses were found but not taken out from the grave so the identity fixing was not made. Names of the residents as of 69 from Tohni, 13 from Zigi and 1 from Bogaz...
http://www.diplomatikgozlem.com/english ... sp?id=1108
http://www.alithia.gr/newspaper
I have told you that Andreas Dimitriu's confessions couple days ago, EOKA-B terrorist. He has told Alithia (in 21 November 2004) EOKA-B carnages. Someone does similar carnages, he/she will find itself in Hague blaming for humanity crime.
...Mari was a Turkish emplacement since ’63 and any of the Cypriot-Greeks couldn’t enter in. A command was came to CNGA in Mari regarding the Turks to be arrested who were in the fightable ages and to be gathered in the schools and cafés, and then to move to a prisoners’ camp in Limassol. We collected all the fightable Cypriot-Turkish men in a café...
...So, we went for collecting Tohni people, we were consisting of a few volunteer policemen. We took about 15 peoples to the school…
...According to told me by the villagers who were there also he got on the bus to take them (arrested people) to Limassol – that at the end they would be murdered. When I returned home learned that they and the others were brought to the prisoners’ camp by busses...
...I have learned from Mr. Küçük who was a Turk from Mari that they were taken with two busses, raked with gunfire, and only a person survived and went to Eoiskopi. I asked him to go and confirm that event. He went and found him in Eoiskopi. I didn’t know this young. I only knew his father who was very long and his name was Kafadar. This young said to Mr Küçük they were taken to a place near Limassol, were given cigarettes to smoke, were told to sit down and then raked with gunfire. Everybody fallen down on the ground then they fired on the heads one by one. The young was next to his father. He survived because the executer’s bullets were finished. Father’s brain had spread out on his son’s head...
...When I was walking in the Turkish quarter on a day a couple of years ago I realized some people from the country administration were destroying a house to get its stones and tiles. I stopped and said them this was not right. Then they said me they had told the same to their superiors but got the answer as “The Turks died, there is no need their houses”. I said them they were in pitiable case because they say like this. It was a nice house with entrance and floor. It was Sevkettin’s house whose job was stone-dressing. A lot of houses of Cypriot-Turks collapsed by itself because they were oldest but most of them destroyed by country administration for stones and tiles...
...Killers murdered their victims and buried them in the mass grave near to Murataga that was found by the Lost Search Committee. Their corpses were found but not taken out from the grave so the identity fixing was not made. Names of the residents as of 69 from Tohni, 13 from Zigi and 1 from Bogaz...
http://www.diplomatikgozlem.com/english ... sp?id=1108
http://www.alithia.gr/newspaper
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by pg » Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:28 am
ONURLU_1925 wrote:I won't agree with your ideas. But I respect your ideas. I think that EOKA militants were also terrorists after 1960, you know.
I have told you that Andreas Dimitriu's confessions couple days ago, EOKA-B terrorist. He has told Alithia (in 21 November 2004) EOKA-B carnages. Someone does similar carnages, he/she will find itself in Hague blaming for humanity crime.
I do not remember the exact details, but clearly crimes like these were commited.
My point is that of 1000 EOKA fighters/helpers, perhaps 1 or 2 went on to commit crimes after '59. These 1-2 guys probably also commit crimes before '59. All I mean is that you need to seperate those 2 guys from the other 998 that were only against the British.
Similar crimes were made by two sides - they can not be excused, and there is no point in comparing them.
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