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Re: who is responsible for the arab world mess.

Postby Maximus » Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:12 pm

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You have a straw man argument, with inconsistent views.

Assad had majority support before millions of lives were destroyed.


My views are as consistent as can be.

KSA is an equal playing field to all Saudis. Syria is not an equal playing field at all and got into this shit thinking that he would be able to manipulate the USA into action in order to preserve his political Hyde.

Well, the Yanks are not as stupid as he thought. He is bloody lucky though that the coalition is doing some of his bidding in wanting to rid Syria of at least one of his foes!


Your views are not consistent and not being willing to listen to the other side of the story is a major red flag. This puts you in NO position to make a fair judgement. You wont even give the accused a fair defence.... :?
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Re: who is responsible for the arab world mess.

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:57 am

Imho the mess started about 1300 years before the Date of Lordo's hypothesis, with the invention of Islam and allah by a mad megalomanic called Mohomed, cursed be his name. Look at the wars and invasions that flowed from that. Shia and Sunni have murdering each other virtually from the day of his death.
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Re: who is responsible for the arab world mess.

Postby Lordo » Sun Sep 06, 2015 12:49 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:Imho the mess started about 1300 years before the Date of Lordo's hypothesis, with the invention of Islam and allah by a mad megalomanic called Mohomed, cursed be his name. Look at the wars and invasions that flowed from that. Shia and Sunni have murdering each other virtually from the day of his death.


no i said i will not go back because if we do we have to go to the time when the greeks invaded my ancestoral home. arabs did not invade the arab lands they were living there before you greeks were living in caves for thousands of year and could do what ever the hell they chose to. you forget before muhammed your christians with your pagan traditions were killing the children because they were girls at birth. he put a stopped to that. strange how we still see children being murdered by chrsitians to this day.

so i draw the line to 1953. because it was this time the the baton was transfered from the brits being the oppressors to the yanks. there is no point going any further back.

if you are going to be stupid go elsewhere
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Re: who is responsible for the arab world mess.

Postby Robin Hood » Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:24 pm

Lordo wrote:we shall start with iran in 1953. iran had a democratically elected government. some swine entity removed the elected government and placed a dictatorship on the iranian people. now lets see if the blind and dumb are aware who this entity was.

homework for tonight boys.

The CIA with help from the British! :x The CIA also set up the Shah's hated secret police.
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Re: who is responsible for the arab world mess.

Postby Robin Hood » Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:32 pm

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Lordo wrote:so what is the answer. who overthrew the elected iranian government.

anybody. knock knock anyone in.


Oh hang on a minute. Did you ask the Iranians whether they wanted the Ayotollah Khomeini?


Yes they did! They welcomed him in their hundreds of thousands but the Yanks thought this old man would be a pushover. Too late they found out just how strong the call of Islam is to its followers.
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Re: who is responsible for the arab world mess.

Postby Robin Hood » Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:48 pm

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Maximus wrote:You should watch those videos re Paphitis before you ask me stupid questions.

Some western and European citizens want to stick the broom stick up their leaders ass but they do it at the ballot box. They dont go berserk. There are also many Saudis who want to stick the broom stick up the house of Saud's ass but you don't support their right to even have a vote do you? In saudi, those saudis will get their head chopped off.


Trust me! There are no Saudis I know who would even think about doing this to any member of the House.

Yes if they tried, they would book an appointment with the scimitar, but seriously, no one is really that concerned because the House of Saud does build a lot of pointless infrastructure and it does keep the people employed and content.

Everyone is occupied, fed and housed properly and everyone has good health care and everything we they need!


You obviously mix with the upper class Saudi's! The squalor some Saudi's live in is appalling.

BTW: Sauoud may be just one family but in the late 90's there were 20,000 unemployed Saudi princes all with incomes running into millions of petro-dollars. You are in dillution if you think all Saudi's are treated equally!
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Re: who is responsible for the arab world mess.

Postby Garavnoss » Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:33 pm

8) Israel. 8)
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Re: who is responsible for the arab world mess.

Postby Paphitis » Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:36 pm

Robin Hood wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:You should watch those videos re Paphitis before you ask me stupid questions.

Some western and European citizens want to stick the broom stick up their leaders ass but they do it at the ballot box. They dont go berserk. There are also many Saudis who want to stick the broom stick up the house of Saud's ass but you don't support their right to even have a vote do you? In saudi, those saudis will get their head chopped off.


Trust me! There are no Saudis I know who would even think about doing this to any member of the House.

Yes if they tried, they would book an appointment with the scimitar, but seriously, no one is really that concerned because the House of Saud does build a lot of pointless infrastructure and it does keep the people employed and content.

Everyone is occupied, fed and housed properly and everyone has good health care and everything we they need!


You obviously mix with the upper class Saudi's! The squalor some Saudi's live in is appalling.

BTW: Sauoud may be just one family but in the late 90's there were 20,000 unemployed Saudi princes all with incomes running into millions of petro-dollars. You are in dillution if you think all Saudi's are treated equally!


In Saudi, every Saudi Male is entitled a parcel of land for free. I don't know another country that does this.

Education, and health is free. Literacy rates are among the highest in the world.

Every day, a new building is begun, as the skyline changes from year to year.

Yes, like in most countries, the distribution of wealth is skewed. But unless you're a distant cousin of one of the Princes or connected to the house in some way, life is pretty normal and equal for most Saudis and the Ruling House of Saud is particularly interested in raising living standards and making jobs for their populace. They are obscenely wealthy, but their system also appears more efficient than let's say the UK.

Each year the build new schools, university campuses, and state of the art hospitals which Europe can only dream of. They are more like 5 star hotels in appearance. New roads, air bridges, airport terminals, luxury hotels, skyscrapers with innovative architecture unseen and unheard of even in North America. New marinas and housing estates where local Saudis have preference and pay zero tax.

Saudi is not what you think it is.

But on the other hand, the laws are strict and it will always flavour the Saudis.
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Re: who is responsible for the arab world mess.

Postby Maximus » Sun Sep 06, 2015 8:38 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:You should watch those videos re Paphitis before you ask me stupid questions.

Some western and European citizens want to stick the broom stick up their leaders ass but they do it at the ballot box. They dont go berserk. There are also many Saudis who want to stick the broom stick up the house of Saud's ass but you don't support their right to even have a vote do you? In saudi, those saudis will get their head chopped off.


Trust me! There are no Saudis I know who would even think about doing this to any member of the House.

Yes if they tried, they would book an appointment with the scimitar, but seriously, no one is really that concerned because the House of Saud does build a lot of pointless infrastructure and it does keep the people employed and content.

Everyone is occupied, fed and housed properly and everyone has good health care and everything we they need!


You obviously mix with the upper class Saudi's! The squalor some Saudi's live in is appalling.

BTW: Sauoud may be just one family but in the late 90's there were 20,000 unemployed Saudi princes all with incomes running into millions of petro-dollars. You are in dillution if you think all Saudi's are treated equally!


In Saudi, every Saudi Male is entitled a parcel of land for free. I don't know another country that does this.

Education, and health is free. Literacy rates are among the highest in the world.

Every day, a new building is begun, as the skyline changes from year to year.

Yes, like in most countries, the distribution of wealth is skewed. But unless you're a distant cousin of one of the Princes or connected to the house in some way, life is pretty normal and equal for most Saudis and the Ruling House of Saud is particularly interested in raising living standards and making jobs for their populace. They are obscenely wealthy, but their system also appears more efficient than let's say the UK.

Each year the build new schools, university campuses, and state of the art hospitals which Europe can only dream of. They are more like 5 star hotels in appearance. New roads, air bridges, airport terminals, luxury hotels, skyscrapers with innovative architecture unseen and unheard of even in North America. New marinas and housing estates where local Saudis have preference and pay zero tax.

Saudi is not what you think it is.

But on the other hand, the laws are strict and it will always flavour the Saudis.


So does this all mean we should support and arm some Syrian rebels (a minority) to overthrow Assad but leave the house of Saud alone? The side effects of course are that maybe 200k have been killed and there are a few million refugees now as well as ISIS.

If you think and thought it was right to overthrow Assad, well your thinking just made things worse,

I bet if you asked any Syrian a few years ago he would have asked you to GTFO out of Syria.
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Re: who is responsible for the arab world mess.

Postby Paphitis » Mon Sep 07, 2015 4:41 am

Maximus wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:You should watch those videos re Paphitis before you ask me stupid questions.

Some western and European citizens want to stick the broom stick up their leaders ass but they do it at the ballot box. They dont go berserk. There are also many Saudis who want to stick the broom stick up the house of Saud's ass but you don't support their right to even have a vote do you? In saudi, those saudis will get their head chopped off.


Trust me! There are no Saudis I know who would even think about doing this to any member of the House.

Yes if they tried, they would book an appointment with the scimitar, but seriously, no one is really that concerned because the House of Saud does build a lot of pointless infrastructure and it does keep the people employed and content.

Everyone is occupied, fed and housed properly and everyone has good health care and everything we they need!


You obviously mix with the upper class Saudi's! The squalor some Saudi's live in is appalling.

BTW: Sauoud may be just one family but in the late 90's there were 20,000 unemployed Saudi princes all with incomes running into millions of petro-dollars. You are in dillution if you think all Saudi's are treated equally!


In Saudi, every Saudi Male is entitled a parcel of land for free. I don't know another country that does this.

Education, and health is free. Literacy rates are among the highest in the world.

Every day, a new building is begun, as the skyline changes from year to year.

Yes, like in most countries, the distribution of wealth is skewed. But unless you're a distant cousin of one of the Princes or connected to the house in some way, life is pretty normal and equal for most Saudis and the Ruling House of Saud is particularly interested in raising living standards and making jobs for their populace. They are obscenely wealthy, but their system also appears more efficient than let's say the UK.

Each year the build new schools, university campuses, and state of the art hospitals which Europe can only dream of. They are more like 5 star hotels in appearance. New roads, air bridges, airport terminals, luxury hotels, skyscrapers with innovative architecture unseen and unheard of even in North America. New marinas and housing estates where local Saudis have preference and pay zero tax.

Saudi is not what you think it is.

But on the other hand, the laws are strict and it will always flavour the Saudis.


So does this all mean we should support and arm some Syrian rebels (a minority) to overthrow Assad but leave the house of Saud alone? The side effects of course are that maybe 200k have been killed and there are a few million refugees now as well as ISIS.

If you think and thought it was right to overthrow Assad, well your thinking just made things worse,

I bet if you asked any Syrian a few years ago he would have asked you to GTFO out of Syria.


Once again you portray your ignorance! The Sunnis comprise 74% of the Syrian Population and of these 60% are Arabs. Assad's regime only represents 20% of the population, if that.

There is absolutely no policy of arming any groups in Syria, not even the FSA. The FSA do not receive armaments at all from coalition countries. The Peshmerga and YPK are however receiving arms! Do you want us to stop this? What's the matter? Don't they have a right to protect themselves from DAESH? Will Assad protect them? :lol:

Our Galaxy Transports are continuously supplying them with arms, and other aid such as food, fresh water machines, penicillin and other vital supplies inuding fuel and diesel. Not only this but we have troops positioned at key points training them and offering technical support.

They, are not fans of Assad either and if they ever get their hands on him - well let's just say you wouldn't want to be in his shoes ok. I doubt they will let him live for more than a few hours and of course I will never condone what it is they would have in store for him if he was captured.

But I wonder where all that hatred stems from Max? Maybe this Assad punk is not such a great guy!

The same with the FSA, DAESH, Al Nusra and Islamic Front. There is a lot of hatred there not just towards Assad but at least 3 of these groups don't like the West either so we are not gonna arm them. Arming the FSA is a continuous debate in the West mainly because of the leadership there, but that has not occurred yet. You never know though because that is an option maybe but we want to know what comes after Assad is removed. That is why we appear reluctant and reluctant to deploy troops on a larger scale. We don't want to be left occupying Syria for 30 years. At present, we have 2 friends on the ground. They are the Kurds and the Iraqi Security Forces. We trust them and as a result we will help them.

We do not support the SHIA militias and wherever they have mobilized in support of the ISF, our small number of troops withdraw and turn a blind eye in the barracks. But as you know, relations with Iran itself are starting to normalize. Early days yet, but developments are positive. The key here is to be able to convince them that their forces will need to pull out of Iraq eventually.

Whether the Gulf States are supplying other groups is highly contentious because we can apply a lot of pressure on KSA, Qatar, UAE and Oman. But let's say it's true. Do you blame them for not wanting to rip Assad's head off?

It's the Arab Spring Max! We had no control over the Arab Spring. But I presume that your support for it a few years ago when it all began in Egypt applies to this day, apart from Assad that is! Which just goes to show your hypocrisy. We lost a couple of our little sock puppets too. And you were cheering! The USA warned you all but in the end had to apply pressure against Mubarak. The USA can't be seen supporting regimes that the people do not want after all.

Well Mr. Maximus, you might actually lose your big hero Assad who by the way has not covered himself in glory. I would prefer Mubarak anytime of the day but I guess you didn't like him because he was a sock puppet. Can't have it both ways mate. Sometimes these sock puppets keep millions of people alive with peace and stability. Do you want another Syria in Egypt? We don't!
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