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[Paphitis]

No it does not make sense,

You can go ---- yourself Paphitis by calling me an insesitive prick if you want to twist things like that.

Europe has high unemployment at the moment, people are struggling as it is, countries and people are under Austerity and society is already strained.

Where are these people going to live in Europe? tents or houses? Who is going to pay?

Where are they going to work?

You're the one who said it Max. I remind you again that you said all Syrian refugees (some of which may even be Kurdish) are economic refugees.

Well I am sorry, but I don't think they are wanting to go to Germany in order to invest their family savings into the DAX.

They are fleeing Syria because of the regime, or DAESH, or Al Nusra, or Islamic Front or all of the above. It's as simple as that.

You can't expect them to stay in a country that doesn't even give them any status and here I was saying about Public Sector jobs and all. I mean let's get reall about this Max. Is there any wonder why we have all these fundamentalist groups spring up chopping very SHIA's head off? I have never condoned it and I oppose DAESH with such ferocity but are you really surprised Max? I am not!

Don't worry about who is going to pay? all countries have economic problems in this GFC Max, just like Greece but no where near as bad. Which is why Greece should only make a token gesture of let's say 5,000 and let the rich countries do the heavy lifting. The EU is going to pay for Greece anyway Max. Cyprus being such a tiny little country can make an even smaller contribution - let's say 1,000.

I am sure you would be the first to agree. I am 100% certain!

Fact is Max, every country has to do their bit. the UK has just put its hand up as Cameron has announced he will take thousands. waiting to hear the exact number but I am sure he might come close to Germany's big contribution. The Krauts never cease to amaze me with their new found generosity. Pity they were not so generous when it came to Greece.

[Maximus]

They are NOW economic migrants. The media is talking about a migrant crisis. What do you expect them to do? live in tents with just basic food and water handouts? NO, you expect them to work.

As I mentioned in an amendment in my previous post before you posted this. If this family was stateless they could / would have been granted assylem many moons ago. Very easily. Why fight a regime in Syria when you can be granted assylem as a stateless person in Europe and receive many more benefits? They could have done this before the troubles.

Your response is hippy - dont worry about who is going to pay. Europeans are worrying about making their own ends meet. many cant. They also worry about the existing immigrants that cant/wont integrate that are already there. Its more of the same but amplified to many degrees with this.

Where are they going to live? tents or houses? where are they going to work? are they going to live on handouts instead? because there is not enough work.

Security - we have not even touched on that.
The social impact on the european population - we have not even touched on that.
when will the influx stop with such a hippy unrestricted approach - we have not touched on that.

[miltiades]

Yes, I can in part blame them. They made a very foolish and risky mistake and chose the illegal route.

All these migrants (probably most of them) who are entering Europe are taking the illegal and risky route and they are forcing their way in. Like this family.

Your thread title is : How many of you really care about Syrian Refugees?

1. I care.
2. Not enough when they turn in to (illegal) economic migrants forcing their way through Europe like this.

Because;
1. they are not refugees by this point. They are illegal migrants picking and choosing and overwhelming Europe.
2. I would rather help them over there than have them ALL over here.

What are you saying Paphitis? Assad / Gaddaffi / Hussein / Erdogan / and heavens knows how many other madmen exist around the world. They are very very very bad men to parts of their populations.

How many millions of populations are you going to evacuate or welcome and bring to Europe like this? Who is going to pay (price) for that? What is the real (cost) to Europe for this?

What would happen to these migrants if they were trying to get in to Australia like they are doing to Europe?

stop talking out of your arse stupid idiot. they applied to go to canada as refugees and were turned down because yhey did not have a passport. they did not have a passport because assad refuses to give most of the syrian kerdds passports. if a person is unable to have a passport he is stateless you asshole. if a stateless person is not a legal refugee what the hell is. you brain dead son of a bitch.

The forums idiot, Lordo the Vordo, encouraged by the support received constantly with the other two morons, GR and the piece of shit, you know who, puts all the blame on ....America. Hey stupid, Kuwait, Abu Dhabi, UAE, Saudi Arabia , Dubai, reasonably safe nations, are far nearer and also have similar cultures, why not seek refuge in these countries, why Europe, America and Canada. Simple. The civilized world is the West.

[Paphitis]

They are NOW economic migrants. The media is talking about a migrant crisis. What do you expect them to do? live in tents with just basic food and water?

Oh no they are not. They are not economic refugees under the UN Refugee Convention which I believe every EU country has ratified.

The 1951 Refugee Convention spells out that a refugee is someone who "owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality, and is unable to, or owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country."

As I mentioned in an amendment in my previous post before you posted this. If this family was stateless they could / would have been granted assylem many moons ago. Very easily. Why fight a regime in Syria when you can be granted assylem as a stateless person in Europe and receive many more benefits? They could have done this before the troubles.

Sorry but you simply don't make any sense.

there are 4 million Syrian Refugees. 3 million in Turkey and 1 million in Jordan (all Jordanian refugees are fleeing from Assad controlled areas)

Turkey, should be congratulated so far for all it has done, but reality is, these refugees have the right to seek asylum in any number of countries which have ratified and are signatories to the 1951 UNHCR Convention of Refugees.

Your response is hippy - dont worry about who is going to pay. Europeans are worrying about making their own ends meet and the existing immigrants that cant/wont integrate that are already there.

My response is sensible, logical and the only solution for millions of people in complete and utter despair.

Europe is one of the most developed areas on the planet and it is only logical to me that they would make a sizable contribution.

Where are they going to live? tents or houses? where are they going to work? are they going to live on handouts instead? because there is not enough work.

Oh yeh, as if Turkey and Jordan is able to house so many people at short notice and give them jobs.

This is precisely why, each and every country is going to take some of them under the UNHCR 1951 Convention.

Security - we have not even touched on that.
The social impact on the european population - we have not even touched on that.
when will the influx stop with such a hippy unrestricted approach - we have not touched on that.

All countries have security concerns. But you know, you can't go hiding under this big Elephant now because we are dealing with humans here and I am sure that 99.99% of them are not terrorists.

Most countries have the infrastructure to offer these people the support they need as well as monitor them. Many of them even have paperwork so that Security problem does not really apply either. There are ways to solve every single problem.

[Paphitis]

Yes, I can in part blame them. They made a very foolish and risky mistake and chose the illegal route.

All these migrants (probably most of them) who are entering Europe are taking the illegal and risky route and they are forcing their way in. Like this family.

Your thread title is : How many of you really care about Syrian Refugees?

1. I care.
2. Not enough when they turn in to (illegal) economic migrants forcing their way through Europe like this.

Because;
1. they are not refugees by this point. They are illegal migrants picking and choosing and overwhelming Europe.
2. I would rather help them over there than have them ALL over here.

What are you saying Paphitis? Assad / Gaddaffi / Hussein / Erdogan / and heavens knows how many other madmen exist around the world. They are very very very bad men to parts of their populations.

How many millions of populations are you going to evacuate or welcome and bring to Europe like this? Who is going to pay (price) for that? What is the real (cost) to Europe for this?

What would happen to these migrants if they were trying to get in to Australia like they are doing to Europe?

stop talking out of your arse stupid idiot. they applied to go to canada as refugees and were turned down because yhey did not have a passport. they did not have a passport because assad refuses to give most of the syrian kerdds passports. if a person is unable to have a passport he is stateless you asshole. if a stateless person is not a legal refugee what the hell is. you brain dead son of a bitch.

The forums idiot, Lordo the Vordo, encouraged by the support received constantly with the other two morons, GR and the piece of shit, you know who, puts all the blame on ....America. Hey stupid, Kuwait, Abu Dhabi, UAE, Saudi Arabia , Dubai, reasonably safe nations, are far nearer and also have similar cultures, why not seek refuge in these countries, why Europe, America and Canada. Simple. The civilized world is the West.

Because Europe, America, Canada etc have just as much obligation as the Gulf States do under the UNHCR 1951 Convention.

Kuwait, and the Emirates don't have to take 4 million people and no one in their right mind expects them to.

Any SHIA refugees probably won't want to go to Kuwait or Saudi Arabia either. It's like making GC Refugees go to Turkey.

[Maximus]

You are giving me hippy answers Paphitis or you are not making a decent enough attempt to answer directly.

You don't know or haven't thought about it yet or are unwilling to think about my questions ! This is hippy to keep your argument rolling and alive.

Just call me a racist - call me an insensitive prick - point to a white elephant somewhere and throw the death of ONE very young boy at me out of the hundreds that have died already trying to get to Europe to try and manipulate me emotionally. It doesn't work. You are not considering everything else, or as much of everything else like I am.

When the shit hits the fan, or when the costs spiral the hippies are nowhere to be seen.

[Maximus]

I am sure that 99.99% of them are not terrorists.

You know F all,

They refuse to be processed and march on and get rowdy if they don't get to where or what they want.

But what if you are wrong and just 1% of them are?

[Paphitis]

You are giving me hippy answers Paphitis or you are not making a decent enough attempt to answer directly.

You don't know or havent fought about it yet or are unwilling to ! This is hippy and if or when the shit hits the fan you wouldn't know because you are not considering everything.

Just call me a racist - call me an insensitive prick - point to a white elephant somewhere and throw the death of ONE very young boy at me out of the hundreds that have died already trying to get to Europe to try and manipulate emotionally. It doesn't work. You are not considering everything else, or as much of everything else like I am.

When the shit hits the fan, or when the costs spiral the hippies are nowhere to be seen.

Don't give me that nonsense.

I am more right wing than you are, but International Obligations under the UNHCR Convention can't be flouted by any signatory State. Everyone knows it and most countries are willing to offer assistance.

Did you know, that the USA is the biggest provider of aid to Syrian Refugees? Oh yes it IS! And as the biggest economy on the planet, I would expect nothing less from them.

It's just that you might be the biggest racist of all but not so right wing as me. and trust me when I say that I too am racist. Always willing to speak the truth because when it all comes down to it we are all slightly racist. Some more than others I spose.

And you Max are one of the biggest racists of all so don't go pointing any fingers to any Australians or Americans now you hear.

But this is not the Cypriots I know who are generally a very loving bunch and put Australians and Americans to shame. They are more than happy to make a token gesture in this humanitarian crisis so I invite some Syrian refugees to avail themselves with the Cyprus Embassy in Athens:

Address:
2A Xenofontos Street
105 57 Athens, Greece
Tel.: +30 210 3734800
Fax: +30 210 7258886
E-mail: [email protected] [email protected]

[Maximus]

Its not racism, its right.

[Paphitis]

Its not racism, its right.

The UNHCR Convention of 1951 is right!

http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49da0e466.html

And here are the signatory States:

http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49da0e466.html

yep, Greece and Cyprus are signatories.

So once again, the Cyprus Embassy might be very useful to some Syrian Refugees.

Address:
2A Xenofontos Street
105 57 Athens, Greece
Tel.: +30 210 3734800
Fax: +30 210 7258886
E-mail: [email protected] [email protected]

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