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[peace4cyprus]

Hello,

This is my first post but I am not new in the forum. I have been following the discussions for some time now.

The first step for a solution that will reunite our country is to accept our mistakes. To apologize for the crimes of "our side".

Many arguments have been expressed so far. Any open minded person would at least change some of his views after listening to the arguments of the "other side".

This thread is not about winning an argument. This thread is for people that want the conflict to end and that believe that we should move ahead. Do we have the will to leave the hate in the past?

I will go first:

I want to apologize to my Turkish Cypriot compatriots for the crimes committed against them by the Greek Cypriot nationalists. I want to apologize for alienating them by insisting on enosis without considering their feelings. I want to apologize for not doing our best to make the 1960 agreements work out.

I am asking our Turkish Cypriot compatriots to forgive us. What I say I believe represent the majority of Greek Cypriots.

Forgiveness is the key for a solution.

[cypezokyli]

if our ears were mobile peace4cyprus, we would wear them only when we speak so we can admire ourself of how nicely we have repeated the same arguements. when everybody else speaks wewould prefer to take them off .

the forgiveness is a beautiful path to solution.
dont be surprised if you get answers of the kind :
i apologise, but, they should apolodise more
or
i apologise, what do i get in return.

as for your declaration of apology, i ll first congratulate you and then copy paste it and sign it my self


I want to apologize to my Turkish Cypriot compatriots for the crimes committed against them by the Greek Cypriot nationalists. I want to apologize for alienating them by insisting on enosis without considering their feelings. I want to apologize for not doing our best to make the 1960 agreements work out.

I am asking our Turkish Cypriot compatriots to forgive us.
cypezokyli

ps. welcome to the forum peace4cyprus

[BirKibrisli]

Welcome to the forum,Peace...
Where have you been all my life???

If you have been watching this forum,you might have seen the thread in which Alexios and myself posted something similar.

You are spot on.I think it was Nelson Mandela who said something like,"how can you expect forgiveness if you do not apologise?"

On behalf of the Cypriotturks in this forum,I accept your apology,thank you kindly for it,and ask you to please forgive our sins for our part in this tragedy.I acknowledge your pain and suffering as a community out of this conflict,and i am glad you acknowledge ours.
Without forgiveness their can be no understanding,without understanding there can be no trust,without trust their can be no just and lasting solution.
Welcome,again,and don't let the inevitible attacks discourage you from your honest path.We are not a majority yet,but we will get there one day soon...

[BirKibrisli]

Cypezokyli,hello komshu!

Sorry,I didn't see your post before posting mine or I would've acknowledged you as well.Can I tell you once again,that I think you have a golden heart,and I am proud to know you online,and will be even prouder to meet you in person one day if our paths cross,as they are bound to. Peace,love and light to you mate...

[peace4cyprus]

hello, thank you both for your nice words.

You are spot on.I think it was Nelson Mandela who said something like,"how can you expect forgiveness if you do not apologise?"

This is a great quote. I will add it as my signature.

We are not a majority yet,but we will get there one day soon...

I believe we are more than we seem to be. The fanatics are the loud ones always.

Even some of the people that express hate do so as a reaction. They feel injustice about something and by "winning" an argument they feel better. We should show these people that forgiving and asking for forgiveness is better than "winning" arguments. Here we are common people discussing, not a court. Winning an argument will not bring to us anything. Winning friends and showing understanding will bring trust and as Birkibrisli said trust will bring a just and lasting solution.

[cypezokyli]

i am sure we ll meet one day bir...
even though i have to tell you i ll be dissapointed if you dont look lke the nice dragula u have on your avatar.
its becoming kind of difficult to imagine you otherwise

[Piratis]

Hello peace4cyprus,

I have done what you are asking some time ago in this forum. From what I remember I went even deeper than you did. Just to make things clear, I support and sign, like cypezokyli did, what you said. I can even add that Turkish Cypriots in some occasions were treated as second category citizens, and this is something we should apologise as well.

However, as I said above, I have already done this some time ago. I was waiting in vain to get something concrete in return from TCs. Unfortunately the response from TCs at the time was some vague "yeah, we apologise too". There was nowhere "we apologise for the 31 years of occupation" or "we apologise for the crimes of TMT" or anything like that. Absolutely nothing.

What you and Birkibrisli say are nice. I am 100% with you. However there is a fundamental flow in your logic. You assume that the solution that everybody wants is reunification, and you propose the obvious way to achieve this aim. The flaw in this logic is that unification is not the aim of many, including, unfortunately, the majority of TCs.

Their aim is partition of some kind, either this is called "TRNC" or Annan plan kind of partition.
When partition is your aim, things like trust forgiveness and friendship and understanding are against what you believe to be your interests. The ones that have partition as an aim want hate, luck of trust, and conflicts between the two communities. How else could they excuse the racist separation and the other violations of human rights that they demand?

[cypezokyli]

peace4cyprus dont say i didnt warn you

[BirKibrisli]

i am sure we ll meet one day bir...
even though i have to tell you i ll be dissapointed if you dont look lke the nice dragula u have on your avatar.
its becoming kind of difficult to imagine you otherwise

Have no fear,Cypezokyli,I look exactly like that nice Drakula on my Avatar

One of these days I will replace it with my picture,and noone will know the difference...

[BirKibrisli]

Piratis says,

Their aim is partition of some kind, either this is called "TRNC" or Annan plan kind of partition.
When partition is your aim, things like trust forgiveness and friendship and understanding are against what you believe to be your interests. The ones that have partition as an aim want hate, luck of trust, and conflicts between the two communities. How else could they excuse the racist separation and the other violations of human rights that they demand

Sadly,I have to agree with you,Piratis.
There are many people on both sides whose personal interests preclude reunification.That is why we need to work harder and cleverer on this forum,and elsewhere,to show them up.To shame them.If they are capable of being shamed that is...