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[Eric dayi]

I see you havent taken your pills today.....

You won't share them that's why.

[Alexios]

Take half of them then...

[Eric dayi]

Take half of them then...

I am not selfish like you Alexios, I leave them to those who need it more than I do.

[Rude Gal]

Cyprus is our homeland Rude Gal.....Whatever happened in the past, and it was a lot against both sides, we must never forget that...

I agree. Tragedy has affected both. Let's get out of the blame game, understand root causes so we never do the same again. As a common homeland, we are together forever in Cyprus, whether its as one state or living side by side.

As I said at start of this thread, I can't apologise or undo past, but I am responsible for my actions here on in and if I overlook Greek Cypriot rights and needs, I am no better than the people I complain about.

I hope Alexis that people like you and peaceforCyprus (and other positive spirits on da Souf side - I have met a few angels and I know there are more...) can help spearhead a mindset change for all Greek Cypriots. It's a difficult journey for all of us and I appreciate there is also change ahead for Turkish Cypriots (some times I feel bad about way some of our people choose to express themselves), but one thing we cannot be expected to give up is our rights as co-owners of Cyprus and masters of our own fate. The latter is every human being's right.

As you say, love is the message!

And a belated festive greetings to you all - it's snowing in London!!!!

[Main_Source]

Bro, in London they call these types of attitudes "racist" (it's why Malcolm X felt he needed to campaign for a separate black state within US 'cos the bulk of the white folk back then couldn't seem to get their heads around equal rights for black people.) and there's no way I want to live with a racist, you GET ME?

Aww please dont try and jump on the Black civil rights movement bandwagon. Its the Nation of Islam who wants an independant black state for black people...Malcom X did not push for this when he was a part of Nation of Islam...or AFTER he visited Mecca and left the Nation of Islam and the teachings of Elijah Mohammed.

Infact, have you seen Spike Lee's 'Malcom X' film? Malcom X didnt have great feelings towards the Turkish state...nor did Nelson Mandela when he was in power of South Africa.

The original 1963 constituation gave EXTRA rights to Turkish Cypriots than Greek Cypriots had...that is why the Akritas plan was put in place....and its not violent like the Turkish propaganda teaches you. Turkey called for a partition of Cyprus waaaay before the 1963 constitution...so dont soley blame Greek Cypriots or the Akritas plan for the current division which is the norm for Turks. Partition was a Turkish plan going back to Ataturk's days.

The Akritas plan in theory did not take away human rights from Turkish Cypriots... This is another phrase your pulling from the sky Wannabe-Rude-Gal.

[pg]

Instead of talking about 1963 it would be nicer to talk about 2063.

Basically, both sides were criminally stupid in 1963, but that is not really any viable excuse for our genration to be the same now.

What sort of island do we want in 2063, and how do we get there? Do we need to spend our money on defence and valuable time discussing stairs and bridges, or something with more potential?

What shall we live of on the island? How do we develop that economy? Are there any role model countries to learn from?

Trying to agree to a common targer - which should be quite easy - should make it easier discussing how to get there.

[Piratis]

Everyone is entitled to human rights not just Greek Cypriots!

Sure. Here are the human rights:
http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

Tell me which of your rights I do not accept????

This are some of our rights that the racists like you continue to violate TODAY:

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
You forced 200.000 GCs to abandon their homes and you still refuse to them their right to return.

Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
You refuse our right to move in our own state and the land that we have been living for 3500 years.


(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
Need to say more?

and every human being has the right to self-determination.

Within the limits of the law and with respect to the human rights of others. Remember it is called SELF determination. Determine yourself. It is not part of your self-determination to force 200.000 people our of their homes and to act in ways that violate the human rights of others, is it?????

Given Greek Cypriots sought to remove these rights from Turkish Cypriot back in 1963, you should not be surprised or angry at what has happened subsequently.

We didn't try to remove any of your human rights. And if the past is an excuse for future crimes, then tell us what should be your punishment for the centuries of oppression against us. You pretend to be the virgin Maries that need to be rewarded and you forget your own crimes that are 100 times worst.

I find it sad there is so little awareness of the root causes of this conflict especially for many Greek Cypriots who have complete blanks about period from 63-74

ROOT causes???? If you want the ROOT then why don't you start from the real root, when you first came to our island and oppressed us for centuries??
The ROOT dear friend is the beginning and not a suitable point in history that you conveniently choose in order to excuse even more crimes against us. Interesting how your "awareness" is just one decade and you conveniently forget everything before and after that decade! And even within that decade you again seem to remember only what you want, forgetting TMT, the crimes against GCs and your plans for partitioning the island.

It is extremely offensive for the territory Turkish Cypriots currently reside in to be perpetually referred to as "illegally occupied" - which I notice happens frequently on this forum.

Would a criminal be offended if you called him criminal? Maybe, but that would be nothing but the truth. The land you reside is illegally occupied because while it belongs to RoC, Turkey is using military force to keep it under illegal occupation and it prohibits to the 200.000 GCs to return to their own homes. If you find it offensive that you live in an illegally occupied land then the best thing you can do is to stop supporting the occupation and the illegality.

This is our homeland too and we have as much right to be on Cyprus and determine our/the island's fate as Greek Cypriots.

Nobody said you have no right to be on Cyprus. Each Turkish Cypriot has the right to determine the fate of this island as much as any other Cypriot. And the majority of Cypriots do not want the Turkish occupation and they do not want any "TRNC" or other puppet states on their land. Why don't you respect that?

If you remove my ability to do this through the Republic of Cyprus, then I am forced to create another mechanism to represent myself, hence the TRNC.

"TRNC" represents nothing. If you accepted legality then you could represent yourselves as part of RoC as it has been agreed in 1960. You are the ones who insist on illegality and not us.

It may be repulsive to Greek Cypriots to see this development, but you need understand why the TRNC needed to happen before you condemn it. And your failure to do this is the biggest indicator of why Greek and Turkish Cypriots can't come together - your perpetual denial of Turkish Cypriot rights and your intention to villify me and my homeland.

About what rights are you talking about??? The rights of the Barbarians? Because I am not aware of your right to "ethnically cleanse 200.000 GCs from their homeland", or your rights "to create a separate country on land stolen from others". What "rights" are you talking about??

Bro, in London they call these types of attitudes "racist" (it's why Malcolm X felt he needed to campaign for a separate black state within US 'cos the bulk of the white folk back then couldn't seem to get their heads around equal rights for black people.) and there's no way I want to live with a racist, you GET ME?

You support the ethnic cleansing of 200.000 Greek Cypriots. You support the violations of the human rights of 1000s of people because of the race they belong to. You demand the separation of people based on their race. And then you come to call me a racist??? Oh please. Could you be more hypocrite than that??? I demand that TCs have the exact same rights as any other Cypriot in one common country were the human rights of everybody are respected. How is this racist??

If you want to have a constructive role in helping bring the two peoples of Cyprus together you have to apply some universal values like equality and respect.

Tell this to yourself.
My values are universal values such as human rights and democracy and I demand that every Cypriot citizen should be equal regardless of his race, religion or language.
What are you values??????

I'm open to your needs, why are you not open to mine? I am not seeking to obstruct your life, why are you trying to obstruct mine?

I need nothing more than legality, human rights and democracy. What are your needs? The "need" to illegally stop the 200.000 refugees to return to their homes? Or the "need" to have a Turkish puppet state on our country against legality and against the will of the great majority of the population?

You are not only "obstructing our lives" you are violating our human rights. If taking our homes back will mean "obstructing your life" then sorry, but you have to realize that you can not build your life on what was stolen from us.

[Rude Gal]

Bro, in London they call these types of attitudes "racist" (it's why Malcolm X felt he needed to campaign for a separate black state within US 'cos the bulk of the white folk back then couldn't seem to get their heads around equal rights for black people.) and there's no way I want to live with a racist, you GET ME?

Aww please dont try and jump on the Black civil rights movement bandwagon. Its the Nation of Islam who wants an independant black state for black people...Malcom X did not push for this when he was a part of Nation of Islam...or AFTER he visited Mecca and left the Nation of Islam and the teachings of Elijah Mohammed.

Infact, have you seen Spike Lee's 'Malcom X' film? Malcom X didnt have great feelings towards the Turkish state...nor did Nelson Mandela when he was in power of South Africa.

The original 1963 constituation gave EXTRA rights to Turkish Cypriots than Greek Cypriots had...that is why the Akritas plan was put in place....and its not violent like the Turkish propaganda teaches you. Turkey called for a partition of Cyprus waaaay before the 1963 constitution...so dont soley blame Greek Cypriots or the Akritas plan for the current division which is the norm for Turks. Partition was a Turkish plan going back to Ataturk's days.

The Akritas plan in theory did not take away human rights from Turkish Cypriots... This is another phrase your pulling from the sky Wannabe-Rude-Gal.

I think you'll find it was Malcolm X who wanted the independent State - he left NOI as they didn't want to get involved in civil rights. He mellowed before he died realising not every white man was the devil (a lesson for all Cypriots?).

I have yet to read about a person who is in full facts of the Cyprus conflict that does not sympathise with both peoples' tragedies. Many sadly are misinformed and only get to hear about Greek Cypriot pain (but what do you expect if Turkish Cypriots do not have international representation?).

Again, here is link from a Greek Cypriot source about Akritas. http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... 2&cat_id=1
I think there is much for you to learn about what really happened in Cyprus...

Finally, please do not reduce my family/people's pain to "propaganda" - that is rude! My mum saw her first dead Turkish Cypriot, Abdullah Cavus - was murdered in Paphos by EOKA, when she was only 12. She and many of her immediate family members - including her brother - were abducted, killed and/or abused by EOKA and its sympathisers between 1955 and 1974. My father's side (Limassol) has many similar horror stories. Having left the island to study in 1960, he was not permitted to enter his own homeland for years and when he finally could - in 1970 - Greek Cypriots only gave him a 2 week visa (he still has the passport to prove it). Both are now refugees living under embargoes. Both would have been displaced again under Annan Plan.

These people are real, their experiences real, their pain is real, and if you have any compassion as a human being, you would respect this.

I say again, I do not diss your pain. Please do not diss mine.

[cypezokyli]

These people are real, their experiences real, their pain is real, and if you have any compassion as a human being, you would respect this.

I say again, I do not diss your pain. Please do not diss mine.

Rude Gal, i am really sorry for what we did to your family. i like your tone. keep it up
dont get dissapointed if you get answers of the kind "how about what you did to us" or "what you did to us was bigger".
the point of this thread was for everyone to say one small sentence. that would have been more than enough.

[Piratis]

dont get dissapointed if you get answers of the kind "how about what you did to us" or "what you did to us was bigger".
the point of this thread was for everyone to say one small sentence. that would have been more than enough.

Hello cypezokyli, should I get disappointed when Rude Girls and others are trying to give excuses as to why our human rights should continue to be violated?

Or should we say nothing when they pretend to be the virgin Maries and the only victims that now need to be rewarded on our expense?

How about this:

Forgiving each other for the past and accepting that from now on the the legal, human and democratic rights of everybody should be respected? Who is with me on this?