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[michalis5354]

Viewpoint I understand your position. After the referendums the GC leadership had done nothing to gain the trust of the TC community. They behave like the Cyprus problem is a foreign problem and no local action is needed as far as the solution is concerned. This approach is totally wrong. Papadopoulos after rejecting the UN plan ought to have proposed an alternative plan and make his intentions clear to the UN to Turkey and to the TC community. He managed to convince a large proportion of the TC community that partition is the only option available.

[Viewpoint]

michalis5354 the momentum in the north has been lost and will be difficult to drum up again dont forget it took 30 years for us to even ask the TCs what they really want. Tassos is leading GCs to partition they jusy havent realized it yet. The inaction and lack of dialogue between the communities over the last 2 years is a clear sign that we are warranted in feeling that the south is not genuine in their desire for a solution. I have yet to be persuaded to believe that unficiation with GCs will be the best solution for all Cypriots. I do not want to return to our past and have innocent Cypriots from either side being killed for the sake of one community obtaining power over the other. The only solution that would resolve our situation and avoid future troubles imho is agree partition. Anything else Cypriots would make a mess of as they lack the ability, vision and committment to make a united Cyprus succeed.

The sooner we wll wake up to this fact the better. We are all prime examples of why we cannot come together and unite.

[Piratis]

I am not glad that for once more I was right. No Turkish Cypriot apologised for the ethnic cleansing and for the 31 years of illegal occupation. Some of them even tried to use our apologies to excuse their crimes against us.

Could it be that the Turkish Cypriots that have partition as their aim do so because they do not have trust? Lack of trust -> Partition as an aim -> Trust does not serve partition aim -> Lack of trust. A circle!

Maybe this is the case. However even if we assume that this lack of trust was initially created by actions of both communities, today it is fueled by the desires of TCs alone. Partition as an aim -> Trust does not serve partition aim -> Lack of trust -> Partition as an aim etc. Our actions have nothing to do with this "loop" since TCs will not even accept to discuss anything that does not give to them one form of partition or another.

If all people were like you peace4cyprus, the TCs like Viewpoint would simply say: "See, so you admit your mistakes, you are the bad guys. How can we the virgin Maries live with people like you? We can't. So we need partition for our security". If you thought that they would also come out and say "Yes, and we also apologize for the 31 years of occupation and for our part in creating the problem in the first place" etc, I hope now you understood you were mistaken.

[zan]

Hello,

This is my first post but I am not new in the forum. I have been following the discussions for some time now.

The first step for a solution that will reunite our country is to accept our mistakes. To apologize for the crimes of "our side".

Many arguments have been expressed so far. Any open minded person would at least change some of his views after listening to the arguments of the "other side".

This thread is not about winning an argument. This thread is for people that want the conflict to end and that believe that we should move ahead. Do we have the will to leave the hate in the past?

I will go first:

I want to apologize to my Turkish Cypriot compatriots for the crimes committed against them by the Greek Cypriot nationalists. I want to apologize for alienating them by insisting on enosis without considering their feelings. I want to apologize for not doing our best to make the 1960 agreements work out.

I am asking our Turkish Cypriot compatriots to forgive us. What I say I believe represent the majority of Greek Cypriots.

Forgiveness is the key for a solution.

peace4cyprus

Not only do I humbly ask you to accept my personal apology but also I accept yours without any conviction. Piratis, I am sorry. You have to take my word for it when I say, from the bottom of my heart, that I would rather have you as a friend. I have not joined this thread before because I thought I could not say sorry enough and would not get the right response. I have now decided that I don’t want a reaction, I want understanding more.

For all those broken dreams, I am sorry.

I have no religion but I wish you all a Merry Christmas.

[tcklim]

I believe certain people have to stop being so arrogant in assuming they know completely what the other side wants .... Piratis I don't know where you get the data behind the facts you so boldly claim, but I must disagree in that the lack of trust is fuelled by the TC's..... GC's have a huge portion of this as well, and while you are always wording your posts to try and seem open-minded and non-biased/racist .... it is blatantly obvious since the beginning you never have and never will change beliefs that have been instilled within you. That's a shame.

Tassos is the worst thing for Cyprus and they won't realize it until it's too late. Not only has he lost the trust of the TC's but also the world community in general. I've been criticized in previous posts with people saying they don't care what the world thinks this is a Cyprus problem, but then again the government always insists a solution be found by the UN or EU and never attempts to resolve anything locally. All they ever build is mistrust. The annan plan was negotiated with papadop at the tables, it should never have been submitted without both sides consent, that was a mistake that I can't understand. The other thing is Tassos arrogantly refused to spell out an alternative plan and specific changes, only hurling accusations at annan. It's rather sad.

I'm afraid the population has to do exactly as peace4cyprus said without goign on and on about the past like people in this forum and throwing accusations yet again. I believe the TC's showed overhwelmingly that they were in favor of reunification. The TC's on this side, I must say, having known a few families, still suffer some discrimination. The problem is the people here seem to blind their eyes to all but their own problems and injustices.

Open your minds people.....

I won't apologize on behalf of either community, cos I'm not a GC or TC myself, but having lived in the South for over 15 years, I will say that I am sorry to see that the conflict remains for the forseeable future, largely unsolvable in the current mind-frame.


This thread is a start, thanks peace4cyprus, now you should all spread the word to your communities and try to broaden some views..... focusing mainly on the upcoming generations, as if the conflict will ever be solved, they will be the ones to do it.

[Piratis]

Not only do I humbly ask you to accept my personal apology but also I accept yours without any conviction.

Deja vu:

"I was waiting in vain to get something concrete in return from TCs. Unfortunately the response from TCs at the time was some vague "yeah, we apologise too". There was nowhere "we apologise for the 31 years of occupation" or "we apologise for the crimes of TMT" or anything like that. Absolutely nothing."

For all those broken dreams, I am sorry.

And by this you mean what?

and while you are always wording your posts to try and seem open-minded and non-biased/racist .... it is blatantly obvious since the beginning you never have and never will change beliefs that have been instilled within you. That's a shame.

I am more than willing to change my views. However vague statements without content that you make can not have that result, can they?

I don't know how open-minded I am, this depends on your definition of this term. Regarding "non-biased" I try, but I never claimed that I am. Now calling me a racist is as far from the truth as it gets. I do not dislike anybody because of his race. If I dislike some people I do so because of their actions and beliefs. And yes, I dislike people that support the violations of my human rights, I hope you don't expect me to like them, do you? Racists are those that demand the separation of people based on their race even if this will require the violation of the human rights of 100s of thousands of people. Racists are those that demand discrimination of people based on their race. Thats not me my friend.

Tassos is the worst thing for Cyprus and they won't realize it until it's too late. Not only has he lost the trust of the TC's but also the world community in general.

Papadopoulos is president for just the last couple of years. Why wasn't the Cyprus problem solved in the 30 years before him? How many more lame excuses are we going to hear? Aren't you tired giving excuses to the unexcused Turkish occupation and violation of the human rights of 100s of thousands of people?

I believe the TC's showed overhwelmingly that they were in favor of reunification.

When???? You mean the kind of "unification" that would make the north part of my own country that was stolen from me, less of my country than Lithuania and Poland are? You mean the legalization of partition that had the name "united cyprus"?

[Viewpoint]

Piratis do you remember a similiar thread where we apologized to each other and that the TCs including myself came forward and whole heartidly stated they were sorry for the past events which caused GCs loss and pain. Can you please state for the forum the GC response including yourself, wasnt our apologies thrown back in our faces? Now you try to paint a picture of being humble and remorseful stating that not one TC has apologized but you so conveniently forget that like the Cyprus problem once bitten twice shy. Im not exposing myself only to be shot down and ridiculed by people like you. We all really know that your real agenda is vengence, a getting back, making TCs pay for 1974 and reducing them to a minority which can be easily manipulated in a GC dominated state.

I still maintain that as long as there is no trust between our communities then there will be no reunification we will drift in a status quo more and more towards recognized partition when the world realizes that Cypriots do not have the desire or vision to unite. We can only make so many mess ups in front of the international stage before they say these people deserve partition.

Trust is earned it does not come automatically and once abused is more difficult to rebuild. What have GCs done over the last 2 years? build trust? or contribute and increase the mistrust in the TC community which they obviously feel towards GCs and their elected leaders?

[Rude Gal]

Trust is earned it does not come automatically and once abused is more difficult to rebuild. What have GCs done over the last 2 years? build trust? or contribute and increase the mistrust in the TC community which they obviously feel towards GCs and their elected leaders?

Here here.

[Eric dayi]

I apologise:

For for all TC's for being on the recieving end 42 years ago today.

I apologise on behalf of all TC's for defending themselves against the murdering Greeks and Greek Cypriots.

I appologise on behalf of all TC's who had to kill Greeks and Greek Cypriots to save themselves and their own families.

I apologise that the human rights of the Turkish Cypriots were taken away by force at gun point.

I am sorry that my family and myself (as other TC families) were forced to flee our home country and live in exile.

I am sorry that Turkey waited 11 years to came and save us.

I am sorry that my fellow countryman are, even after 42 years, still living under inhuman embargoes and isolation.

I am sorry that the Greek Cypriots, even today, are refusing to take the hand of peace offered to them by our leaders to unite the island.

I am sorry that Greek Cypriots feel offended we do not trust them although they are doing absolutely sweet FA to gain my/our trust.

Most of all I am sorry that some of my fellow TC's are gullible enough to believe the lies of the Greek Cypriots and have turned against their own people,:cry: BUT I am glad that they are in the minority.

[Sotos]

I think Piratis was right on this one. peace4cyprus, good idea but it didn't work As they say you need two for tango. TCs don't want unification so they will do nothing that will help this to happen.