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[Piratis]

You know what the Straw man fallacy is zan? Check it out:

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:


Person A has position X.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

[zan]

What you have won kardesim, is the disrespect of the GCs like Piratis.

I fully respect Bir. The ones I do not respect are the racists that demand violations of human rights like you.

because the Ottomans did far worse things

this is half the truth. Ottomans are only part of it. You talk about that decade and you forget that in that same decade you committed equal crimes against us and then for THREE decades after that you have performed ethnic cleansing and violated our human right and you continue doing that TODAY.
If Ottomans are too far in history, then what about the last 30 years and today. They are too close?

So the only thing that matters for you are the crimes of GCs in that decade. The crimes of TCs in that same decade do not matter, the 300 years of oppression by Ottomans is too old, the 30 years of occupation is too new/excused .. Conclusion: The 100 times worst crimes you committed against us are irrelevant/too old/excused etc, and the only thing that matters are the crimes we committed against you and for this you have to punish us with even more crimes against us! Yeah, right!
Good not all TCs are racist crime supporters like you!

You see only what it suits you to see. Just because you scream that I am a racist does not make it so. The racist is you who will not allow us to live in peace. How many times do I have to say that crimes were committed by both before you stop talking crap? It is you who are constantly trying to quantify the whole blame thing. Take your crimes with a large glass of water and then I will take mine. You cannot brain wash people by just repeating everything a hundred times. All you are doing is creating more anti GC feeling all over. I don't want to live with you Piratis so the only way is for the TRNC to flourish. I realise that that will only add fuel to your already blazing fire but the thought of living in a country where I would have to hear you talk about my people the way you do and to see you in the street every day gloating will drive me crazy with rage. I would have to opt again for the recognition of the TRNC and continue to apologise to the real people of the south who have no animosity towards me.

[zan]

You know what the Straw man fallacy is zan? Check it out:

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:


Person A has position X.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

I get the concept just cant figure out if your boasting about being able to use the concept or accusing me of the deed.

[pg]

It seems also this tree has gone into the typical Cypriot pastime - apportioning blame for past mistakes instead of actually solving the problem...

[cypezokyli]

i am wondering what peace4cyprus thinks about this thread

[Piratis]

You see only what it suits you to see.

No, you do that. Unlike you, I see everything from the very beginning of our interaction in Cyprus 1571 until today. What do I not see exactly?

what you do is that you see only one decade, and within that decade you see only our crimes.

Just because you scream that I am a racist does not make it so. The racist is you who will not allow us to live in peace.

I like peace and I want peace. But even if I didn't that wouldn't make me a racist. You got your definitions screwed up.

Racism: "a phenomenon in which people mistreat, discriminate against, dislike or even hate, have disdain for, or regard as inferior other people based on their real or perceived race. "

What I want is all Cypriots to be equal, were everybody gets the 100% of his/her human rights, without any kind of discrimination.
What you want: the separation and discrimination of people based on their race and the violation of their human rights.

It is clear that you are the racist and not me.

How many times do I have to say that crimes were committed by both before you stop talking crap?

And when did I deny this????? What I deny is that you have any kind of right to continue committing crimes against us.

It is you who are constantly trying to quantify the whole blame thing.

Nop it is you. Because I say: Lets leave the past behind and move ahead with human rights and democracy for everybody. Then you brings us the past. When you do that then you expect me to sit silent and listen to your propaganda when you try to justify the crimes you insist on committing against us as we speak?

I don't want to live with you Piratis so the only way is for the TRNC to flourish.

You can want whatever you like as long as it doesn't violate the human rights of others. "TRNC" violates the rights of others, and therefore I couldn't care less if you want it or not.

I would have to opt again for the recognition of the TRNC and continue to apologise to the real people of the south who have no animosity towards me.

I have animosity against the racist criminals that insist on our human right violations. We know already for what you and the majority of TCs opt for. You showed us your decision decades ago. My animosity is a result of your actions that you insist of doing TODAY.

[zan]

Piratis

You have made your self clear in every thing that you have posted.
You don’t want Turkish Cypriots, you want Cypriots = Racism.
You don’t want to loose out to a bunch of barbarians = Racism
You only want to look forward and blame me for the Ottomans = Racism
If we make a profit of your back you will not accept it = Racism
Every thing wrong that is Greek is a mistake everything Turkish is an abomination = Racism

Don't use me as an excuse for your racist and bigoted remarks. Your agenda is clear and those little stickers you have posted about your computer to remind you of what to say in response to any thing you do not agree with are just cluttering up the place. You can carry on your obvious hate campaign now until I feel I have to comment again. For now adieu.

[Piratis]

Straw man, zan, the Straw man fallacy. You can do nothing without it.

You don’t want Turkish Cypriots, you want Cypriots

I never said that I don't want Turkish Cypriots. I said that Turkish and Greek Cypriots should be equal Cypriot citizens with the same rights and responsibilities.
What you want:
You want the separation Cypriots based on their race even if that would mean the human rights of violations of 1000s of people = Racism

You don’t want to loose out to a bunch of barbarians = Racism

I don't want to loose out to anybody. I, like every human being, has the 100% right for my human and democratic rights. Why is demanding my human and democratic rights, without violating any of your human and democratic rights, racism?
What you want
You want gains over Greek Cypriots because you believe you "won the war" = Racism.

You only want to look forward and blame me for the Ottomans = Racism

No, I would prefer if we only look forward without looking in the past, and build in Cyprus a democratic country were the human rights of everybody are respected. The past is brought up by you when you are trying to excuse the crimes that are committed against us at this very moment. When you bring up the past to try to excuse your crimes I simply remind you that in the past you committed 100 times worst crimes against us and therefore you can not expect our punishment and your reword.
What you do:
You use the past selectively remembering only tiny parts of history in order to excuse the crimes and the human right violations that you support TODAY = Racism

If we make a profit of your back you will not accept it = Racism

Why should I accept anybody to make a profit on the expense of my human rights .. what are you talking about???
What you want:
You want to make a profit on the expense of the human rights of others who belong to another race = Racism

Every thing wrong that is Greek is a mistake everything Turkish is an abomination = Racism

Really? Come on Zan, I never had a problem to declare clearly and specifically the crimes that our side has committed. I have never defended the crimes against TCs, the coup or people like Grivas and samson. This takes us at the beginning of this thread. Go read it. I agreed with everything that peace4cyprus has said. You on the other hand never admitted the crimes of TMT and the crime of the Turkish invasion. You pretend to be the virgin Mary that now needs to be rewarded on the expense of the human rights of Greek Cypriots.

You are the Racist zan, better admit it. If you were not a racist then you wouldn't demand the separation and discrimination of people based on their race. What you support is clear racism.

[peace4cyprus]

Hello,

I am sorry that some of the posts in this thread have turned the opposite of what I hoped for.

We are all just people - human beings. Why do we see Greeks and Turks and English and we don't see people? If we did things would be so much better...