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[Maximus]

for the collective West to support Israel against the true land owners in that part of the world, the Palestinians.

This is not entirely accurate Kiks,

The Jews are "also" true land owners in that part of the world and they were exiled by Muslim conquests.

[Kikapu]

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Hamas has themselves to blame: slaughtered for having slaughtered; they may find themselves mostly martyred, and this the last time.

(What did they expect?)

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You are all heart (not) Warrior!

Look and see how many Palestinians were killed by Israel since 2008!

https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

Were they all killed peacefully attending a music festival or mebbe attempting the destruction of Israel and the extermination of the Jewish people I wonder...?

Did you really needed to ask?

No, they were killed by standing up against being oppressed by the Israelis in their own homeland.

[Maximus]

You should read the manifesto of Hamas kiks,

They are an extremest Islamic fundamentalist movement waging Jihad.

Their main goal is to destroy the state of Israel. They are not fighting for their rights, they are fighting for Allah and to exterminate Jews.

They have been designated as a terrorist organization for good reason.

[cyprusgrump]

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Hamas has themselves to blame: slaughtered for having slaughtered; they may find themselves mostly martyred, and this the last time.

(What did they expect?)

....

You are all heart (not) Warrior!

Look and see how many Palestinians were killed by Israel since 2008!

https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

Were they all killed peacefully attending a music festival or mebbe attempting the destruction of Israel and the extermination of the Jewish people I wonder...?

Did you really needed to ask?

No, they were killed by standing up against being oppressed by the Israelis in their own homeland.

Where 'Standing Up' = terrorism, murder, bombs, rockets, etc...

[Lordo]

We have read quite a lot about how Israel is going to wipe Hamas, quite how they will know who is Hamas and who is not is another thing.

But there is value in reading Hamas Manifesto. So here are couple of chapters to start with. There is 37 of them so far I have found two mentioning Jews.

15. The Zionist project does not target the Palestinian people alone; it is the enemy of the Arab and Islamic Ummah posing a grave threat to its security and interests. It is also hostile to the Ummah’s aspirations for unity, renaissance and liberation and has been the major source of its troubles. The Zionist project also poses a danger to international security and peace and to mankind and its interests and stability.

Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion

16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.

[Lordo]

17. Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage. The Zionist movement, which was able with the help of Western powers to occupy Palestine, is the most dangerous form of settlement occupation which has already disappeared from much of the world and must disappear from Palestine.

18. The following are considered null and void: the Balfour Declaration, the British Mandate Document, the UN Palestine Partition Resolution, and whatever resolutions and measures that derive from them or are similar to them. The establishment of “Israel” is entirely illegal and contravenes the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and goes against their will and the will of the Ummah; it is also in violation of human rights that are guaranteed by international conventions, foremost among them is the right to self-determination.

19. There shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist entity. Whatever has befallen the land of Palestine in terms of occupation, settlement building, judaisation or changes to its features or falsification of facts is illegitimate. Rights never lapse.

I mean how reasonable is this? You would think GCs wish for the same thing right?

20. Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.

[Kikapu]

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Hamas has themselves to blame: slaughtered for having slaughtered; they may find themselves mostly martyred, and this the last time.

(What did they expect?)

....

You are all heart (not) Warrior!

Look and see how many Palestinians were killed by Israel since 2008!

https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

Were they all killed peacefully attending a music festival or mebbe attempting the destruction of Israel and the extermination of the Jewish people I wonder...?

Did you really needed to ask?

No, they were killed by standing up against being oppressed by the Israelis in their own homeland.

Where 'Standing Up' = terrorism, murder, bombs, rockets, etc...

Perhaps you would choose to lose your dignity and just lay down and accept to be oppressed if you were in their situation, but they would rather stand up and fight against oppression.

To each their own, and one needs to respect that, no?

Violence and killing is never the first option to solve such problems, but the side who is doing the oppressing is also doing most of the killing of those whom their land and liberty has been taken away from them, and then you want to blame the victims when they refuse to accept it going on 70+ years and fights back, despite the odds being against them!

[cyprusgrump]

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Hamas has themselves to blame: slaughtered for having slaughtered; they may find themselves mostly martyred, and this the last time.

(What did they expect?)

....

You are all heart (not) Warrior!

Look and see how many Palestinians were killed by Israel since 2008!

https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

Were they all killed peacefully attending a music festival or mebbe attempting the destruction of Israel and the extermination of the Jewish people I wonder...?

Did you really needed to ask?

No, they were killed by standing up against being oppressed by the Israelis in their own homeland.

Where 'Standing Up' = terrorism, murder, bombs, rockets, etc...

Perhaps you would choose to lose your dignity and just lay down and accept to be oppressed if you were in their situation, but they would rather stand up and fight against oppression.

To each their own, and one needs to respect that, no?

Violence and killing is never the first option to solve such problems, but the side who is doing the oppressing is also doing most of the killing of those whom their land and liberty has been taken away from them, and then you want to blame the victims when they refuse to accept it going on 70+ years and fights back, despite the odds being against them!

I think I'd realise that calling for the eradication of my 'oppressor' and all its people World Wide as a starting point is not a good negotiating position to take...

In essence, violence and killing is the first option for Hamas...

Wasn't it Clinton that said of Yasser Arafat at 'peace negotiations', "he was here for 14 days and all he said was 'no'"... The position hasn't changed since...

[Maximus]

17. Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage. The Zionist movement, which was able with the help of Western powers to occupy Palestine, is the most dangerous form of settlement occupation which has already disappeared from much of the world and must disappear from Palestine.

18. The following are considered null and void: the Balfour Declaration, the British Mandate Document, the UN Palestine Partition Resolution, and whatever resolutions and measures that derive from them or are similar to them. The establishment of “Israel” is entirely illegal and contravenes the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and goes against their will and the will of the Ummah; it is also in violation of human rights that are guaranteed by international conventions, foremost among them is the right to self-determination.

19. There shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist entity. Whatever has befallen the land of Palestine in terms of occupation, settlement building, judaisation or changes to its features or falsification of facts is illegitimate. Rights never lapse.

I mean how reasonable is this? You would think GCs wish for the same thing right?

20. Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.

What we have seen this past week is in contradiction to point 17.

Point 18, 19 and 20 affirms that they want to destroy Israel in contravention to the UN resolutions.

Somehow, I bet you think because it is written down, it must be true and what you read is more important than what you see.

Now how can you simultaneously denounce the Israeli occupation of Palestine and support the Turkish occupation of Cyprus? You are basically a little oppressor yourself, trying to remove the legitimate rights of Greek Cypriots. Now here you are, trying to be the paragon of ethics and morality.

You stayed mum while Turkey was bombing the Kurds a few weeks ago and while she was obliterated Syria to support ISIS.

[Lordo]

Interesting that it is Israel that is talking abut wiping Hamas from the face of the earth. Quite how they are going to determine who is Hamas perhaps they should explain. Today they declared that Hamas is the same as Isil. Like fuck it is.

Irony of course is the fact that Taliban was created by the Yanks, Hamas by the Israelis and Isil by both Israel and the Yanks.

There is a very easy solution. Open the borders of both Gaza and West Bank. Allow the Palestinians who wish to claim their land to do so and compensate those who do not wish to return. Allow equal rights to the Palestinians who chose to live in Israel. Recognise Palestine. There are over 9 million Palestinians in the region. Their full rights must be restored. Otherwise this will be like wound on the side of the Western world infected and bleeding till the end of time.

There are today 250,000 people left homeless in Gaza with Winter approaching. The way the west as a whole is behaving is nothing short of disgusting. Palestinians and young muslims all over the west will not forgive them.