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[Lordo]

The US vetoes an Arab-backed UN resolution demanding an immediate humanitarian cease-fire in Gaza

What does this say about the Americans? How long can this go on with one country blocking the UN from doing it's duty?

Why does the UN not deciare Rafah as a protected zone like they did in Bosnia, not that it did any good to the Bosnians. UN soldiers just stood by and watch Serbs taking unarmed men to the slaughter.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/the-us-vetoes-an-arab-backed-un-resolution-demanding-an-immediate-humanitarian-cease-fire-in-gaza/ar-BB1iAuxS?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=31d83d20cd804440a876ef001bfb6166&ei=12

[Lordo]

This is very interesting to read. Apparently when Balfour was going to set up the Zionists Jewish State, with not prejudicing the civil and religious rights of the existing native population will not be affected.

Sure enough, they displaced half of the Palestinian populations from their homes. And before any Swine claims they had to do it, they should learn their history, Arab nations around had not fired a single shot when the Palestinians were driven from their homes.

Nice.

[Lordo]

It's time Muslims protested outside Synagogues and block some Jewish people from going in. It is only fair right?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/israel-to-bar-some-muslim-citizens-from-jerusalem-mosque-in-ramadan/ar-BB1iACHk?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=74e2e9e173c04b15a6a5c52db7deb45b&ei=13

[Lordo]

We still do not have a single individual in the media who challenges the Israeli version of what happened on October 7th.

Despite the information being out there that:
1. Israeli helicopters pilot informed their command that they cannot differentiate between Hamas and Israeli civilians and were told shoot anything that moves.
2. Despite the testimony of Yasmin Porat that Israeli forces went on a panicked rampage, firing wildly with powerful weapons, indiscriminately killing both Palestinian fighters and the Israeli civilians who were with them at Kibbutz Be’eri.
3. Also despite the fact that Israeli air force has admitted that it sent up more than two dozen attack helicopters which fired huge amounts of heavy cannon shells and Hellfire missiles.
4. And finally the images seen since which could not have been caused by Hamas weapons like building blown out, bodies so charred that they made a mistake of counting 200 Hamas fighter as Israelis only to recant their own figures later.

The silence in the west is deafening.

Another comment that keeps coming up is the fact that Hamas intends to kill all the Jews.

Well here is the offending articles from their constitution.

1. The Islamic Resistance Movement “Hamas” is a Palestinian Islamic national liberation and resistance movement. Its goal is to liberate Palestine and confront the Zionist project. Its frame of reference is Islam, which determines its principles, objectives and means.

8. By virtue of its justly balanced middle way and moderate spirit, Islam – for Hamas - provides a comprehensive way of life and an order that is fit for purpose at all times and in all places. Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance. It provides an umbrella for the followers of other creeds and religions who can practice their beliefs in security and safety. Hamas also believes that Palestine has always been and will always be a model of coexistence, tolerance and civilizational innovation.

9. Hamas believes that the message of Islam upholds the values of truth, justice, freedom and dignity and prohibits all forms of injustice and incriminates oppressors irrespective of their religion, race, gender or nationality. Islam is against all forms of religious, ethnic or sectarian extremism and bigotry. It is the religion that inculcates in its followers the value of standing up to aggression and of supporting the oppressed; it motivates them to give generously and make sacrifices in defense of their dignity, their land, their peoples and their holy places.

I was looking for the lines ..... and kill all the Jews. Where is it? Any ideas.

[cyprusgrump]

We still do not have a single individual in the media who challenges the Israeli version of what happened on October 7th.

Despite the information being out there that:
1. Israeli helicopters pilot informed their command that they cannot differentiate between Hamas and Israeli civilians and were told shoot anything that moves.
2. Despite the testimony of Yasmin Porat that Israeli forces went on a panicked rampage, firing wildly with powerful weapons, indiscriminately killing both Palestinian fighters and the Israeli civilians who were with them at Kibbutz Be’eri.
3. Also despite the fact that Israeli air force has admitted that it sent up more than two dozen attack helicopters which fired huge amounts of heavy cannon shells and Hellfire missiles.
4. And finally the images seen since which could not have been caused by Hamas weapons like building blown out, bodies so charred that they made a mistake of counting 200 Hamas fighter as Israelis only to recant their own figures later.

The silence in the west is deafening.

Another comment that keeps coming up is the fact that Hamas intends to kill all the Jews.

Well here is the offending articles from their constitution.

1. The Islamic Resistance Movement “Hamas” is a Palestinian Islamic national liberation and resistance movement. Its goal is to liberate Palestine and confront the Zionist project. Its frame of reference is Islam, which determines its principles, objectives and means.

8. By virtue of its justly balanced middle way and moderate spirit, Islam – for Hamas - provides a comprehensive way of life and an order that is fit for purpose at all times and in all places. Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance. It provides an umbrella for the followers of other creeds and religions who can practice their beliefs in security and safety. Hamas also believes that Palestine has always been and will always be a model of coexistence, tolerance and civilizational innovation.

9. Hamas believes that the message of Islam upholds the values of truth, justice, freedom and dignity and prohibits all forms of injustice and incriminates oppressors irrespective of their religion, race, gender or nationality. Islam is against all forms of religious, ethnic or sectarian extremism and bigotry. It is the religion that inculcates in its followers the value of standing up to aggression and of supporting the oppressed; it motivates them to give generously and make sacrifices in defense of their dignity, their land, their peoples and their holy places.

I was looking for the lines ..... and kill all the Jews. Where is it? Any ideas.

I'm surprised you couldn't find the 'killing the Jews' bit as it has been pointed out to you before...

I guess you were just too stupid to find the nasty bits...?

Or perhaps as a craven liar you thought that if you repeated the lie often enough people would eventually believe it...?

[Robin Hood]

I'm surprised you couldn't find the 'killing the Jews' bit as it has been pointed out to you before...

I guess you were just too stupid to find the nasty bits...?

Or perhaps as a craven liar you thought that if you repeated the lie often enough people would eventually believe it...?

Try using the original version to support your understanding rather than the Zionist version, to make your point! Just repeating a previous post does not make the content more accurate or credible if the source was questionable. LR will confirm that ....... he does it ‘selectively’ all the time!

Covenant of Hamas terror

The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement was issued on August 18, 1988. The Islamic Resistance Movement, also known as the HAMAS, is an extremist fundamentalist Islamic organization operating in the territories under Israeli control. Its Covenant is a comprehensive manifesto comprised of 36 separate articles, all of which promote the basic HAMAS goal of destroying the State of Israel through Jihad (Islamic Holy War). The following are excerpts of the HAMAS Covenant:

The Hamas Covenant - Selected Excerpts

(Your link ........ N.B.: It is an ISRAELI EMBASSY ‘liberal’ interpretation and what LORDO said is far more accurate than your Israeli version, which is only to be expected as it was created by the Zionists and believed by ‘MONGS”!.)
https://embassies.gov.il/oslo/AboutIsra ... enant.aspx

THIS is the direct translation to English of The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), Published by: University of California Press on behalf of the Institute for Palestine Studies Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/2538093!

https://www.palestine-studies.org/sites/default/files/attachments/jps-articles/2538093.pdf

Read what the heading of your own post says! What you posted is ‘selected excerpts’ of The Hamas Covenant by the Israeli Embassy in Norway and if you actually just glance through the original as translated, I think you will find that as well as the admission that it was ‘selective’ ........ so was the Zionists interpretation of their ‘selection’ !

So LORDOS post of ‘selected excerpts’ is significantly more credible than yours!

FYI: Hamas was established in 1987, and has its origins in Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood movement, which had been active in the Gaza Strip since the 1950s and gained influence through a network of mosques and various charitable and social organizations.

It was created in response to the Zionists constant aggression and land grabs ........ which started in 1948. So the title of ‘Defense Force’ is far more applicable to HAMAS than it is to the IDF ....... who are the aggressors and occupiers of lands they took by force of arms from the Palestinians, who have never had an Army!

So remind me: Who is the aggressor here and Who is the defender? Why do the Zionists and their Western allies believe that the Zionists (The aggressors) have to right to ‘self defense’ but not the Palestinians ? (The Defenders)

[cyprusgrump]

I'm surprised you couldn't find the 'killing the Jews' bit as it has been pointed out to you before...

I guess you were just too stupid to find the nasty bits...?

Or perhaps as a craven liar you thought that if you repeated the lie often enough people would eventually believe it...?

Try using the original version to support your understanding rather than the Zionist version, to make your point! Just repeating a previous post does not make the content more accurate or credible if the source was questionable. LR will confirm that ....... he does it ‘selectively’ all the time!

Covenant of Hamas terror

The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement was issued on August 18, 1988. The Islamic Resistance Movement, also known as the HAMAS, is an extremist fundamentalist Islamic organization operating in the territories under Israeli control. Its Covenant is a comprehensive manifesto comprised of 36 separate articles, all of which promote the basic HAMAS goal of destroying the State of Israel through Jihad (Islamic Holy War). The following are excerpts of the HAMAS Covenant:

The Hamas Covenant - Selected Excerpts

(Your link ........ N.B.: It is an ISRAELI EMBASSY ‘liberal’ interpretation and what LORDO said is far more accurate than your Israeli version, which is only to be expected as it was created by the Zionists and believed by ‘MONGS”!.)
https://embassies.gov.il/oslo/AboutIsra ... enant.aspx

THIS is the direct translation to English of The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), Published by: University of California Press on behalf of the Institute for Palestine Studies Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/2538093!

https://www.palestine-studies.org/sites/default/files/attachments/jps-articles/2538093.pdf

Read what the heading of your own post says! What you posted is ‘selected excerpts’ of The Hamas Covenant by the Israeli Embassy in Norway and if you actually just glance through the original as translated, I think you will find that as well as the admission that it was ‘selective’ ........ so was the Zionists interpretation of their ‘selection’ !

So LORDOS post of ‘selected excerpts’ is significantly more credible than yours!

FYI: Hamas was established in 1987, and has its origins in Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood movement, which had been active in the Gaza Strip since the 1950s and gained influence through a network of mosques and various charitable and social organizations.

It was created in response to the Zionists constant aggression and land grabs ........ which started in 1948. So the title of ‘Defense Force’ is far more applicable to HAMAS than it is to the IDF ....... who are the aggressors and occupiers of lands they took by force of arms from the Palestinians, who have never had an Army!

So remind me: Who is the aggressor here and Who is the defender? Why do the Zionists and their Western allies believe that the Zionists (The aggressors) have to right to ‘self defense’ but not the Palestinians ? (The Defenders)

We get it RH...

Hamas = good, Jews = bad....

You and Bordo are like two cheeks of the same vile, antisemitic arse...

No doubt that nice Mr. Corbyn can rely on your votes at the GE...?

[Lordo]

I go by the 2017 version. Surely that is a better reflection of what Hamas stands for. In any case Hamas accepted the two state solution going back to the 1967 borders in mid 90s.

Israel to this day does not accept two state solution under any circumstances.

Here is articles 12, 13 and 14

12. The Palestinian cause in its essence is a cause of an occupied land and a displaced people. The right of the Palestinian refugees and the displaced to return to their homes from which they were banished or were banned from returning to – whether in the lands occupied in 1948 or in 1967 (that is the whole of Palestine), is a natural right, both individual and collective. This right is confirmed by all divine laws as well as by the basic principles of human rights and international law. It is an inalienable right and cannot be dispensed with by any party, whether Palestinian, Arab or international.

13. Hamas rejects all attempts to erase the rights of the refugees, including the attempts to settle them outside Palestine and through the projects of the alternative homeland. Compensation to the Palestinian refugees for the harm they have suffered as a consequence of banishing them and occupying their land is an absolute right that goes hand in hand with their right to return. They are to receive compensation upon their return and this does not negate or diminish their right to return.

14. The Zionist project is a racist, aggressive, colonial and expansionist project based on seizing the properties of others; it is hostile to the Palestinian people and to their aspiration for freedom, liberation, return and self-determination. The Israeli entity is the plaything of the Zionist project and its base of aggression.

Who is a reasonable person that would reject such thoughts? Especially being from Cyprus or living in Cyprus.

[Londonrake]

Hold on there GR. You've got it all wrong. In fact, so have I. We had it wrong all the time. It's important we to listen to Lordo. How about you take the midnight to noon posts and me the noon to midnights? We should be able to manage that. No?

As he has conclusively proved, Oct 7th was absolutely nothing to do with Hamas. It was all down to the Israelis. The videos of Paragliders coming in to the Nova music fest, plus those of the people attending, fleeing from the gunfire and rockets were faked. They used a couple of hundred crisis actors to stage it.

The "hostages" taken were actually Israeli people rescued from the IDF butchery by Hamas. Their treatment since, a model of charity. Typically, those Israelis who've died under Hamas protection have all been down to more indiscriminate IDF slaughter.

What it boils down to is that Hamas are the victims of western and Israeli propaganda. The reality being, the organisation is actually a benevolent collective of, in essence, pascifist humanitarians. All the talk about wiping out the Jews is absolute nonsense. As Lordo has again conclusively proven. They want nothing more than to live in peaceful coexistence with the Jewish people. Moreover, the Iranians have no interest or have had any involvement in what's been going on. They say it's none of their business. Stories of a senior Iranian government official quoted as saying "We will eradicated the cancer of the Zionist entity" are yet more lies. A bit like their Putin/Lavrov quotes "We have no intention of invading Ukraine. It's just Western propaganda". Despicable liars, the lot of them. You need to get the real truth from "independent" sources.

You see GR, we have to face up to the fact that we're just Swinecunt mushrooms from Swineland, who've prospered on the fucking shit "they" have fed us. You couldn't make it up and we should all burn in Hell............. Innit.

We owe Lordo a grovelling apology - don't you think?

[Robin Hood]

We get it RH...

Hamas = good, Jews = bad....

You and Bordo are like two cheeks of the same vile, antisemitic arse...

No doubt that nice Mr. Corbyn can rely on your votes at the GE...?

We get it RH...

That’s just it ........ you get it but deny it by ignoring ‘it’ !

Hamas = good, Jews = bad....

No you haven’t got it!

HAMAS = is a Palestinian defense force .......... JEWS = a people who practice the Jewish Faith. Chalk-and-cheese?

You and Bordo are like two cheeks of the same vile, antisemitic arse...

You don’t even know what anti-Semitisn is! You automatically assume it means anti-JEW.

FYI: Semites are peoples whose language is based on the Semite language. Hebrew is only one of those languages ...... it also includes Arabic, among others. So the term ‘anti-Semitism’ is misused and misapplied by the Zionists to apply just to Jews! Then they include anything they associate with Jew such as Israel and Zionists and dismiss any other Semites.

So ‘MONGS’ like you have only a distorted vision of anti-Semitism that is ‘selected’ to ensure ANY criticism of anything even losely associated with the Zionist’s definition, is wrongly classed as being ‘anti-Semitic’!

Tell me do you remove the bucket before or after you have stuck your head up your arse?

No doubt that nice Mr. Corbyn can rely on your votes at the GE...?

Another Zionist trait? Yeah .... right ... let’s cloud the issue to divert the observation!

Corbyn is not and never has been anti-Semitic but he is anti-Zionist! So Zionist’s like you capitalise on their distorted use of the expression ’anti-Semitic’ ........ and in his place you get a Labour leader who ‘Stands with Israel’ ...... maybe for ‘Israel’ you should read Zionists!