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Re: America - the greatest country in the world

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Sep 23, 2015 7:21 am

I would have to respectfully beg to differ. Every dictatorship in history has eventually been toppled by the people, even if after many centuries. This is a universal rule of politics. The people of Syria will sooner or later advance in a progressive direction, in common with all of mankind and, even if this will be a rocky road, I am sure they will ultimately succeed.
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Re: America - the greatest country in the world

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Sep 23, 2015 7:27 am

What really saddens me above all is that the Ba'ath party, with its initial roots in a secular, progressive ideology, could have ended up producing dictators like Assad and Saddam Hussein.
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Re: America - the greatest country in the world

Postby miltiades » Wed Sep 23, 2015 8:27 am

Tim Drayton wrote:I would have to respectfully beg to differ. Every dictatorship in history has eventually been toppled by the people, even if after many centuries. This is a universal rule of politics. The people of Syria will sooner or later advance in a progressive direction, in common with all of mankind and, even if this will be a rocky road, I am sure they will ultimately succeed.

I was of course refering to the ME Tim, not any other region.
Can you perhaps point to ME Dictaror who was toppled and replaced by a Democratic alternative this century. Im not talking about either Turkey or Israel, Turkeu being the "only " "democracy" in the ME Islamic world.
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Re: America - the greatest country in the world

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Sep 23, 2015 8:42 am

Dictator Ben Ali was ousted in a revolution in Tunisia and democracy seems to be taking root there at the moment. I am not sure if you consider that to be the Middle East. It is North Africa, really. However, just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean that it won't or can't (in my humble view).
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Re: America - the greatest country in the world

Postby miltiades » Wed Sep 23, 2015 9:50 am

Tim Drayton wrote:Dictator Ben Ali was ousted in a revolution in Tunisia and democracy seems to be taking root there at the moment. I am not sure if you consider that to be the Middle East. It is North Africa, really. However, just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean that it won't or can't (in my humble view).

Early days yet Tim for a fragile democracy to sustain it self long term, even in N.Africa.
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Re: America - the greatest country in the world

Postby Get Real! » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:15 pm

France's dirty knickers in a serious twist...


Marine Le Pen faces court on charge of inciting racial hatred

Marine Le Pen, the president of France’s far-right Front National party, is to appear in court for allegedly inciting racial hatred over comments in which she compared Muslims praying in the streets to the Nazi occupation.


The penalty for inciting racial hatred in France is up to a year in prison and a €45,000 fine.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/s ... ial-hatred


Whereas Charlie Hebdo's vile magazine was just fine! :wink:

Useless incompetent European cunts!

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: America - the greatest country in the world

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:45 pm

miltiades wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Dictator Ben Ali was ousted in a revolution in Tunisia and democracy seems to be taking root there at the moment. I am not sure if you consider that to be the Middle East. It is North Africa, really. However, just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean that it won't or can't (in my humble view).

Early days yet Tim for a fragile democracy to sustain it self long term, even in N.Africa.


Early days, and Deash is doing its damnedest to destroy it by ruining the country's tourism sector, but I am keeping my fingers crossed. One success sets an example of what could be for others.
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Re: America - the greatest country in the world

Postby Paphitis » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:01 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Lordo wrote:the policy used has not changed for centuries. it is called your enemy's enemy is a friend no matter what that friend is like and is used by every body including the stupid yanks. that explains everything that is going on in the world today.


One of my toes is itching like mad this morning. How did the Yanks do that, I wonder?


The have a big huge Daktilo and they were probably tickling you!
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Re: America - the greatest country in the world

Postby Paphitis » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:05 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Events taking place at the moment in the Middle East are highly complex and full of paradoxes and contradictions. No simple, blanket conspiracy theory is capable of accounting for their every twist and turn. At least in my humble view.


Yes there are many paradoxes and contradictions to every conspiracy theory to the point that none make any sense or are even remotely logical.

It's a complex war, probably the most complex in history. And yet, ultimate responsibility for this war rests with Assad.
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Re: America - the greatest country in the world

Postby Paphitis » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:18 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:What really saddens me above all is that the Ba'ath party, with its initial roots in a secular, progressive ideology, could have ended up producing dictators like Assad and Saddam Hussein.


And in a nutshell, this is the single biggest contributor to the war.

I agree with their ideals, but you can't exclude those who do not and repress them even though they make a clear majority.

So now, we have all kinds of groups carving up Syria like a steak.
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