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[Oceanside50]

I suspect Sotos you do not want any kind bi zonal bi Com federation. You wish to see is a return to pre 74 Cyprus, one of majority rule?
My question is how do you expect to ever achieve this?

how do you expect a BBF with the majority Greeks living in an apartheid racist country?...

[cypriotnado]

I suspect Sotos you do not want any kind bi zonal bi Com federation. You wish to see is a return to pre 74 Cyprus, one of majority rule?
My question is how do you expect to ever achieve this?

how do you expect a BBF with the majority Greeks living in an apartheid racist country?...

Are you saying that a Cypriot federal state would be an Aparthied state

[Oceanside50]

I suspect Sotos you do not want any kind bi zonal bi Com federation. You wish to see is a return to pre 74 Cyprus, one of majority rule?
My question is how do you expect to ever achieve this?

how do you expect a BBF with the majority Greeks living in an apartheid racist country?...

Are you saying that a Cypriot federal state would be an Aparthied state

yes

[cypriotnado]

Well Cypriots always lived in separate enclaves or within their own communities in Cyprus. The we all lived happily together thing is a myth. From my own experince I know that little socialising took place. Greeks tended to live in Greek areas and Turks in Turkish areas, same goes for Maronites who also had their own villages. So segregation existed by consent or the imposition of others ie religion,conquest all played a part. But separation has always present. Aparthied is also abt power and in a federal state the power would be equal each community would have a constituent state. I assume some people should they wish could and would return. this is part of the talks. People would also be able to move freely as many do now. This was not allowed under aparthied Blacks could not enter white areas, use white only facilities or go to white venues. Wealth in aparthied was unequal as was political power. One community in aparthied system has power over all things connected to the second community. This is not the case in Cyprus. Aparthied is also connected to the issue of Racial superiority of one community over another. From what I have seen on this forum it is Greek Cypriots who belive themselves to be racially superior. Aparthied is the wrong comparison

[Pyrpolizer]

Most people in ALL countries would choose Private schools over Public schools if the price was the same. Your so called experiment is faulty Not to mention that many of those private schools are Greek and the students that come out of them are not any less Greek than the rest.

Who said the price will be the same??
Not to mention that WITHOUT subsidizing the current public schools they obliged them to teach the fundamentals that the elitists require, be it the Greek language and history syllabus.
Have you done any statistics on how much of a "Greek" those students feel?
You are not Greek, you just speak distorted Greek with Turkish accent. Just like our Minister the other day who refereed to the Greek islands as "Ellinika Nishia
If you are Greek then the Austrians are Germans

[yialousa1971]

If I were in a room with you and GiG and one other of similar outlook...

I would just shoot Oracle to put her out of her misery and as for Sotos... I would test his javascript skills and if he's not up to scratch he dies too!

I wouldn't be too cocky GR, Sotos would kick the chicken shit out of you! I just hope Oracle has a minute to spare to call the emergency vet to come and put you back together.

It’s funny the silly little things I sometimes throw in for a laugh, seem to have the greatest impact on you Yialoser whereas everyone else probably has a smile or laugh and moves on…

Who are these people who laugh at your posts.? Is there anybody that stupid.

[yialousa1971]

They go by nasty names and even nastier habits.

Wolfgang Schaeuble and Volker Bouffier to name but two!

They have started many major wars, two world wars and now a third!

Cold, calculating and enslaving of Earthlings!

Germans fulfill many characteristics of Alien life forces, right?

Germany is under the control of ZOG.

[Sotos]

The side I am on is the side of Cyprus. What is incomprehensible to you , is that I can both be on the side of Cyprus and yet be TC as well. That is the problem you will always have if you believe as fundamentally as you do that Cyprus is Greek.

When you say "Cyprus" what do you mean? The rocks on the ground? I hope not... that would be schizophrenic. For me Cyprus is its people. And what Cyprus wants is the democratically expressed will of the Cypriot people. So you are clearly NOT on the side of Cyprus.

Yet I am NOT Turk I do NOT support ethnic cleansing and I have nothing to do with genocides.

ANY Turk could SAY that they do not support ethnic cleansing and have nothing to do with genocides. However I have not seen you protest the criminal actions of Turkey. You seem to be content with the results of such actions and all you seem to be interested is to blame the majority of the Cypriot people because their ethnicity is Greek and because after centuries of foreign rule they wanted the freedom to decide about Cyprus in a democratic way.

But WHICH people. I think you can agree that the German people can not decide to give up the sovereignty of the French people on behalf of the French people. What you refuse to accept and understand is what makes us a 'Cypriot people' is that we all live in Cyprus AND we all want Cyprus to be democratically ruled by CYPRIOTS. That when you CHOOSE to want to be not part of a Cypriot people that decide democratically what happens in Cyprus, you can not still claim that that is the will of the VERY THING you want to no longer exist.

The German people can decide WHATEVER they want for their own lands and the ethnic minorities of Germany will not be asked for their separate approval. In fact they have already done this!! There are several groups of Germans (e.g. Bavarians) and they decided not to have a separate country for each group (e.g. Bavaria is not an independent country) but to unite into one Germany. The same is true for Greeks. It doesn't mean that Cyprus or Cypriots would cease to exist... it just means that Cyprus and Cypriots will continue to exist as part of a greater country... like Cretans or Bavarians.

To me it is just an attempt by Greeks to impose Greek rule on me in my own homeland against my will. That I will resist attempts at such imposition in the same way and with the same motivation and fervour that any group of people fighting for their freedom against foreign rule does.

It is the Turks who imposed their will on Cyprus. And you want to continue to impose your will and refuse to respect the will of the majority. The native majority are Greek and therefore Greek rule can not be foreign rule for Cyprus.

I do NOT expect you to agree with me on this. I do however want you to at least understand it and stop with tiresome - you are 'Turk' , you are no different from ottoman oppressors, you support ethnic cleansing, you just want to steal from GC, you want more rights than me etc etc etc.

Unfortunately what you say reaffirms those things... not refute them. There are many other minorities in Cyprus and it is only the Turks who are more than happy to fight against us instead of respecting the will of the majority. And they do that with the support of Turkey and they have no problem to commit ethnic cleansing and any number of atrocities... anything to stop the democratic will of the Cypriot people and force us to accept their terms. If you had just said "I disagree with the union of Cyprus with Greece" and stopped there without talking about a right to fight against the majority then I would agreed with you. Nearly nobody wants union with Greece anymore! The problem is how willing you are to start a conflict again and your refusal to accept democracy for Cyprus. Because in democracies you need to accept the democratic results not only when you agree with them but even when you (fundamentally, deeply, absolutely) disagree!

[Sotos]

Most people in ALL countries would choose Private schools over Public schools if the price was the same. Your so called experiment is faulty Not to mention that many of those private schools are Greek and the students that come out of them are not any less Greek than the rest.

Who said the price will be the same??
Not to mention that WITHOUT subsidizing the current public schools they obliged them to teach the fundamentals that the elitists require, be it the Greek language and history syllabus.
Have you done any statistics on how much of a "Greek" those students feel?
You are not Greek, you just speak distorted Greek with Turkish accent. Just like our Minister the other day who refereed to the Greek islands as "Ellinika Nishia
If you are Greek then the Austrians are Germans

Bullshit Have YOU done any statistics? Our dialect is a Greek dialect and it is similar to other Greek dialects.

Austrians (German: Österreicher) are a German ethnic group

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrians

[GreekIslandGirl]

Imo you are a victim of decades of education and religious brainwashing designed for you by some elitists..

Who designs the education syllabus in all other western countries if not 'some elitists'?

Who decides on literary canons? Who defines the science that's of use?

Personally, I'm baffled as to what you are driving at.