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[Jerry]

Verhofstadt knows what he is talking about. The part re the 13 education directors, 12 of whom are Syriza members, is totally true. While promising a break from the old system habits Syriza applied them in full and the response that the other mob did the same is no excuse.

There is no more conservative mode of thinking and more obsolete attitude than that of a Greek leftist. I have many leftist friends and love to goad them about their technophobic, neoluddite attitudes. They are dead against computerisation in the civil service yet they spend hours on ebay buying stuff every day.

Bottom line, the glorious NO had become a compliant YES with much more onerous terms than what was about to be agreed in January. Eight times worse at least. And the Syriza narrative is that this is better because it preserves pride.

And one more, the Syriza dominated journalists union has announced that it will punish eight journalists for their reporting of the referendum campaigns, basically for being for the YES vote. Last time something similar happened in Greece was during the junta.

What you see is not what you get with these people.

Yes old habits die hard in Greece. A couple of years ago we were ushered out of the free museum in old Rhodes town at 3pm when the street outside was jammed with tourists, some wanting to enter. When I queried this I was told that they always closed at that time. I suggested they charge a modest entry fee and employed more staff (perhaps some of the unemployed university graduates) and stayed open later, I just got the usual shrug. Arses need to be kicked in Greece if things are ever going to get better.

[kurupetos]

Verhofstadt knows what he is talking about. The part re the 13 education directors, 12 of whom are Syriza members, is totally true. While promising a break from the old system habits Syriza applied them in full and the response that the other mob did the same is no excuse.

There is no more conservative mode of thinking and more obsolete attitude than that of a Greek leftist. I have many leftist friends and love to goad them about their technophobic, neoluddite attitudes. They are dead against computerisation in the civil service yet they spend hours on ebay buying stuff every day.

Bottom line, the glorious NO had become a compliant YES with much more onerous terms than what was about to be agreed in January. Eight times worse at least. And the Syriza narrative is that this is better because it preserves pride.

And one more, the Syriza dominated journalists union has announced that it will punish eight journalists for their reporting of the referendum campaigns, basically for being for the YES vote. Last time something similar happened in Greece was during the junta.

What you see is not what you get with these people.

Yes old habits die hard in Greece. A couple of years ago we were ushered out of the free museum in old Rhodes town at 3pm when the street outside was jammed with tourists, some wanting to enter. When I queried this I was told that they always closed at that time. I suggested they charge a modest entry fee and employed more staff (perhaps some of the unemployed university graduates) and stayed open later, I just got the usual shrug. Arses need to be kicked in Greece if things are ever going to get better.

Greece proved that a communist country can be an EU member!

[Get Real!]

Just like to point out that Pistos is not Greek except in name...

It's a great gravy though!

[miltiades]

Judging by the money markets performance it may be a matter of days before an agreement is reached between Greece and the rest of the EZ, Germany in particular. If these "new " proposals by Athens are accepted then Greece would receive the bail out it so desperately needs.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/liv ... raghi-live

[Paphitis]

Unfortunately, Turkey produces crap products. Even M&S (lovers of Turks) have cut back on the number of clothes they manufacture in Turkey and now they are doing better.

Turks make rubbish!

Turkish fridges catch fire. Turkish clothes fall apart. Turkish food is third rate.

If you want quality, forget Turkey!

Yes Volkswagon and Mercedes are also crap products produced in Turkey.

[Paphitis]

Judging by the money markets performance it may be a matter of days before an agreement is reached between Greece and the rest of the EZ, Germany in particular. If these "new " proposals by Athens are accepted then Greece would receive the bail out it so desperately needs.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/liv ... raghi-live

Personally, I think Syriza are taking Greece out of the EZ.

[miltiades]

Judging by the money markets performance it may be a matter of days before an agreement is reached between Greece and the rest of the EZ, Germany in particular. If these "new " proposals by Athens are accepted then Greece would receive the bail out it so desperately needs.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/liv ... raghi-live

Personally, I think Syriza are taking Greece out of the EZ.

If this was or is the intention of Greece to exit the EZ why make fresh proposals that are what the creditors were demanding before the referendum.
"So to recap, Greece has put forward a plan of reforms, spending cuts and tax rises that is close to what was demanded by its creditors before Alexis Tsipras called last Sunday’s referendum."

[Paphitis]

Judging by the money markets performance it may be a matter of days before an agreement is reached between Greece and the rest of the EZ, Germany in particular. If these "new " proposals by Athens are accepted then Greece would receive the bail out it so desperately needs.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/liv ... raghi-live

Personally, I think Syriza are taking Greece out of the EZ.

If this was or is the intention of Greece to exit the EZ why make fresh proposals that are what the creditors were demanding before the referendum.
"So to recap, Greece has put forward a plan of reforms, spending cuts and tax rises that is close to what was demanded by its creditors before Alexis Tsipras called last Sunday’s referendum."

No they have not made proposals the same as what the creditors were demanding.

They are demanding a 30% cut in debt which is quite fair enough too because the debt has to be viable. Personally, I would have preferred they ask for a 50% cut.

[RichardB]

Never mind if its a"nai" or an i"oxi". What about the poor buggers like me who are trying to get money from a cheque drawn on a bank of pireaus account.. Anyone else in the same sh*t or is it just me. But hey ho.. Thats life eh boys and girls.