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[Nikitas]

Interesting always to see how those that do not live in Greece feel obligated to side with what they perceive to be the official Greek side.

Fact is that ALL polls in the last 30 days show that more than 70 per cent of Greeks want to have the Euro as currency and Greece to remain a full member of the EU and the Eurozone.

Tsipras and his cronies have indulged in nepotism on a grand scale, hiring relatives and "partners" (in keeping with modern cohabitation fashion) and in one case a minister hired both his current as well as his ex partner. The regional prefect somehow managed to get her brother promoted and her "partner" (a restauranteur) appointed as head of the water company.

After five months of doubtful tactics, where Baroufakis "ran circles around his colleagues", managing to convince none of them, Tsipras took us to a plebiscite with hazy choice. Note that the Greek negotiating team was in the midst of negotiations at the very moment when he made his televised announcement, which is to say that the final text that he rejected was not yet decided.

And who is siding on which side in the referendum? The nazis, the far right ANEL and Syriza stand with the OXI to the as yet unseen proposals of the EU. On the other side are the democratic parties ND, PASOK, Potami and some independent MPs.

Interesting mix of "patriots" on the OXI side and indicative of the situation. Interesting to note that some ANEL MPs have pubicly stated that they believe in chemtrails, hence their nickname "Psekasmenoi".

[Get Real!]

...what is coming out is that the Greeks have not been squandering money but actually improving the infrastructure.

You have a short memory. The bulk of the squandering took place to host the Olympic Games.

I don’t remember exact figures but some months after the end of the games when realistic figures finally came out (something we were discussing back then) it went something like…

Income: 1.5 billion
Expenditure: 50 billion
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Net Loss: 48.5 billion.

[observer]

... and the other 250 billion was wisely spent!

[GreekIslandGirl]

...what is coming out is that the Greeks have not been squandering money but actually improving the infrastructure.

You have a short memory. The bulk of the squandering took place to host the Olympic Games.

I don’t remember exact figures but some months after the end of the games when realistic figures finally came out (something we were discussing back then) it went something like…

Income: 1.5 billion
Expenditure: 50 billion
--------------------------------
Net Loss: 48.5 billion.

Stop making stuff up, there's a good boy.

[Nikitas]

Deafening silence on the collaboration between a left wing, a far right wind and a nazi party in favor of the OXI vote, while ALL other democratic parties favor the YES vote.

A few minutes ago the only foreign political party to have voiced support for the OXI vote is the French National Front of Marine Lepen.

Seems that chemtrails have affected some forumers, eiste kai eseis psekasmenoi re kopellia!

[GreekIslandGirl]

Well, I was going to suggest that change usually only comes about from extremes. So, it's understandable those are the braver parties. The middle ground is difficult to challenge. But, I am wary of how much my fellow Greeks have suffered and could still suffer to wish change to come from their hands despite the fact that the status quo is hurting them so much. The challenger (as the Greeks are in this system called the EU) will be the heroes or equally the victims - should we look to Sparta?

[Oceanside50]

Well, I was going to suggest that change usually only comes about from extremes. So, it's understandable those are the braver parties. The middle ground is difficult to challenge. But, I am wary of how much my fellow Greeks have suffered and could still suffer to wish change to come from their hands despite the fact that the status quo is hurting them so much. The challenger (as the Greeks are in this system called the EU) will be the heroes or equally the victims - should we look to Sparta?

You're beginning to sound a lot like RW...look to Sparta for what?

[Get Real!]

Stop making stuff up, there's a good boy.

Ok, I got the Olympic Games figures:

Cost of the Olympic Games (for all)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_the_Olympic_Games

Athens Summer Olympics 2004: Loss: US$14–15 billion

NB: It was the highest ever loss for a Games host with the next highest being Sydney in 2000 at US $2.1 billion.

Now if that's not squandering money I don't know what is!

[Nikitas]

GR,

You are right about the Olympics. The foreign press with their idiotic reports re security aided the rush to complete things at any cost. Many people benefited inexcusably. I know, I was asked to participate in the organization of some things (and refused). The process at some levels was a free for all and the aftermath is not flattering. Many of the venues are now rotting unused.

As for the referendum etc. It is indicative of the perception of reality that is perpetrated on the Greeks by a psychotic cadre who insist that ALL the rest of the world are wrong and their interpretation of reality is right. The division in the Eurogroup has been 18 to 1 all along. When the order comes to close the banks and they come out and tell you that it is not they but the "lenders" that closed the banks then you know you are dealing with a clinical case.

There is also an implied insult to the other stricken nations, Cyprus, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, to say that acceptance of the bailout terms indicated lack of democratic spirit and refusing them is an indication of national pride (per the president of parliament yesterday). The rest of the bailout nations are protrayed as spineless lackeys of the "lenders" , no wonder these nations are the most antigreek in the Eurogroup.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Stop making stuff up, there's a good boy.

Ok, I got the Olympic Games figures:

Cost of the Olympic Games (for all)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_the_Olympic_Games

Athens Summer Olympics 2004: Loss: US$14–15 billion

NB: It was the highest ever loss for a Games host with the next highest being Sydney in 2000 at US $2.1 billion.

Now if that's not squandering money I don't know what is!

None of the other countries had the problem of redirecting or re-planning issues due to major discoveries of antiquities. Of course, Greece's historic relics are of no interest to you and you would have bulldozed your way over everything.

And next time, don't give me Wiki data as evidence. I feel insulted. I expect much more from you.