GreekIslandGirl wrote:Tim Drayton wrote:GreekIslandGirl wrote:Tim Drayton wrote:GreekIslandGirl wrote:I'm not sure prescriptive elements count for much any more with the development of Globish. Still, you'd think some English National papers would try and be consistent.
Anyway, seems like "Daesh" isn't an acronym other than by some twisted coincidence. It was the name given to them by some US General.
Separation from their (IS) leanings with Islam isn't something I'm in favour of anyway as it lets off the hook all those religious leaders in the Islamic world who should take responsibility for these activities and offer resistance (not seen so far).
No, this is the name used by most Arabs for this gang, although it has a consonant in the middle that speakers of other languages find virtually impossible to pronounce, so it is a rough transliteration. It is an acronym in Arabic.
This article might go some way to describing this idea, but I don't have time to read it properly as I must
dash off ... I'll check it later:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/d ... rands-isis
Thanks. From that article:
Daesh is also an acronym for an Arabic variation of the group’s name: al-Dawla al-Islamyia fil Iraq wa’al Sham. Most of the middle east and many Muslims abroad use Daesh, saying that although the jihadists have declared the nebulous region they control a caliphate, they neither adhere to Islam nor control a real state. Islamic clerics in particular have taken issue with the terms that include “Islamic State”. A group of British imams has suggested to prime minister David Cameron that he call the group “the Un-Islamic State”.
The US general in question didn't coin the term, but suggested that we in the West should also adopt it, and I agree.
Sorry, Tim. Cannot see how "DAESH" is an acronym for that name - It's ADAIFIWS, or at best, without the small words, it's
DIIS .... which I prefer!
Anyway, I also cannot see how DAESH distances these cutthroats from Islam, as a suggested reason for its use, since "Islamyia" is part of that Arabic phrase it's supposed to signify.
The problem has to do with transliteration from Arabic. Trust me, as it says in the Guardian article, in Arabic DAESH works as an acronym for the name as transliterated.
The fact remains that DAESH, in the territory controlled by DAESH, imposes a penalty of 70 lashes for calling DAESH DAESH and that is good enough reason for me to call DAESH DAESH.