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[Tim Drayton]

PS - No, you have not responded before, nor to a number of other issues I have raised.

By the way, if you really want to convince me that you are a devout Muslim, please stop lying about Miltiades during Ramadan.

Page 6....Sunday at 6.48pm.... I would not wish to convince you that I am a devout Muslim.... I have not lied about DMSY.

You lied. Your mistaking 'Stroumbou district' for 'Stroumbi village' shows that. Anyhow, if you are trapped in a world view in which everything is the will of God, then God willed you to make that mistake, just to expose you for the liar you are.

[Tim Drayton]

PS - No, you have not responded before, nor to a number of other issues I have raised.

By the way, if you really want to convince me that you are a devout Muslim, please stop lying about Miltiades during Ramadan.

Page 6....Sunday at 6.48pm.... I would not wish to convince you that I am a devout Muslim.... I have not lied about DMSY.

Lying again. There is nothing about the shameful practice of using captured women as sex slaves on page 6, not at any time.

[Tim Drayton]

Perhaps you could enlighten as to the meaning of the term “the captives whom their right hands possess” in the following quote from your so-called holy book.

Surah 23 AL-MUMENOON (THE BELIEVERS)

1. The believers must (eventually) win through,-
2. Those who humble themselves in their prayers;
…
5. Who abstain from sex,
6. Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,

(PS - This is not plagiarism, but quoting from an acknowledged source)

[Tim Drayton]

This is all OK then, is it?

Yazidi sex slave escapes Isis to tell her story: 'They took us away like cattle'

In late November, after nearly four months as Isis slaves, a 19-year old Yazidi woman and her younger sister escaped their captors — and have revealed how the terrorist group's slave trade operates.

The woman, identified as Girl B, was taken by Isis fighters in early August following their invasion of the Kurdish city of Sinjar. Her 14-year old sister was also taken by the group, but their mother prevented the capture of their 11-year old sister.

She told The Times: "My mother started screaming and begging for mercy as the Daesh (Isis) fighters told my sister and me to join the group of younger women specially selected."

"But they tore us from her grasp. I saw other women in the building being dragged out to waiting lorries by their hair."

Girl B explained that once Isis arrived they began dividing the local Yazidis into groups — first separating men from the women and children, and then separating the married women from the unmarried.

"The Daesh took our names and ages and noted everything down. It was organised and they took us away like cattle."

She said they recognised some of the Isis fighters, explaining that local Sunnis were desperate to join the terrorist group.

"A local mechanic was among them. The Sunni men in our area became Daesh as soon as they got a smell of them approaching. No one even had to ask them to join."

Girl B and her sister were moved twice before they ended up at a house in Baaj, Iraq owned by an Isis sheik.

It was there that they were repeatedly raped by three Isis fighters, a health worker explained as Girl B became distressed and couldn't detail that part of their capture.

They were then sold to an Isis commander called 'Abu Ghuffram' - whom Girl B knew - and taken to his house in the village Rambussi.

She said her period of enslavement alternated between chores and physical abuse, including one incident in which she was choked.

As is practice in Isis, the Yazidis were forced to renounce their faith and convert to Islam.

At the end of November, in the middle of the night, Girl B took her sister and ran, first sliding past a sleeping guard, then climbing a wall, and then running towards Kurdish forces — they were lifted out of danger by a helicopter.

This experience is central to a new Amnesty International report due for release today entitled: 'Torture, sexual slavery in Islamic State captivity in Iraq'.

The report will examine the extent to which enslavement is a key tenant of the Isis ideology. It follows recent communications from group advocating for sexual slavery.

An October edition of the Isis propaganda website Dabiq said: "Enslaving the families of the kuffar [non-believers] and taking their women as concubines is a firmly established aspect of the Sharia."

And earlier this month, in its 'Questions and Answers on Taking Captives and Slaves', Isis said: "It is permissible to have intercourse with the female slave who hasn't reached puberty if she is fit for intercourse."

Kurdish regional government says that more than 3,500 Yazidi men, women and children are currently missing, though activist groups say that figure is much higher.

The Peshmerga Kurdish fighters have pushed Isis out of Sinjar, but not before Yazidi families - including Girl B's - were taken deeper into Isis territory.
She said: "I don't know if or when I shall ever see them again."

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=us

How about addressing the issues, rather than carping on about me following the media to get information about the world?

[Pyrpolizer]

Please note the following, taken from the translation of a pamphlet issued by DAESH:

Question 13: Is it permissible to have intercourse with a female slave who has not reached puberty?

"It is permissible to have intercourse with the female slave who hasn't reached puberty if she is fit for intercourse; however if she is not fit for intercourse, then it is enough to enjoy her without intercourse."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 15913.html

When does a prepubescent girl become fit for intercourse? In what way may she be enjoyed without intercourse?

This is a charter for depraved perversion and is an at total variance with civilised values.

(Yes, and I am quoting from a reliable source – the Independent newspaper. There is nothing wrong with quoting from reliable sources. Plagiarism is when you take something from another source and pass it off as your own statement without acknowledging the source.)

I guess they mean if she is fat enough it's OK, if she is skinny she is not suitable!
What would anyone expect from those barbarians that revived from the Middle Ages other than crap like that?

[Tim Drayton]

If the Daily Mail is not to your taste - and for Pete's sake, what on earth is one going to refer to if not the media to discuss what is going on in the world (I might just as well discuss the room I am sitting in) - is the following more to your taste? This is issue 4 of Dabiq Magazine, the DAESH death cult's own in-house English magazine, is it not?



In the article beginning on page 14 of this magazine, entitled “THE REVIVAL OF SLAVERY BEFORE THE HOUR”, we find the following on page 15:

“Accordingly, the Islamic State [sic] dealt with this group [the Yazidis] as the majority of the fuqaha’ have indicated how mushrikin should be dealt with. Unlike the Jews and the Christians, there was no room for jizyah payment. Also, their women could be enslaved unlike female apostates who the majority of the fuqaha’ say cannot be enslaved and can only be given an ultimatum to repent or face the sword. After capture, the Yazidi women and children were then divided according to the Shari’ah amongst the fighters of the Islamic State [sic] who participated in the Sinjar operations, after one fifth of the slaves were transferred to the Islamic State [sic]’s authority to be divided as khums.

This large-scale enslavement of mushrik families is probably the first since the abandonment of this Shari’ah law. […]

The enslaved Yazidi families are now sold by the Islamic State [sic] soldiers as the mushrikin were sold by the Companions […] before them.”

http://media.clarionproject.org/files/i ... rusade.pdf

No, sorry, but the fact that DAESH engages in practices such as enslaving Yazidis would appear not to be an invention of the right-wing tabloid press. The depraved, sick, twisted perverts of DAESH boast about it in their own magazine.

PS - All sources quoted, so this is a plagiarism free post!

[Pyrpolizer]

This topic started with a very clear thesis --->

Consider the objectives of IS and evaluate them with an open mind.

I have asked the topic setter what are their objectives and I received absolutely no reply.
There is no other way for any "open minded" person to judge their objectives other than watching their actions reported over the media.
If that is biased then why they themselves don't officially publish their objectives and their methods for anyone to see??
Why Garavnoss who praises them does not reply clearly of what their objectives and methods are??

[Garavnoss]

Consider the objectives of IS and evaluate them with an open mind.

Consider the society of the West and others that have and are adopting their principles.

Consider those society's and the manner in which they were first founded and then developed.

Not too much difference is there ?.

Incidentally...congratulations to the Yanks, they have just passed the law which allows same sex marriage, another step towards their eventual cultural demise, it's not bad enough already.

Comparisons will follow soon which might portray a CALIPHATE as not such a bad thing after all.

Once the scum has been cleared out.

[Garavnoss]

If the Daily Mail is not to your taste - and for Pete's sake, what on earth is one going to refer to if not the media to discuss what is going on in the world (I might just as well discuss the room I am sitting in) - is the following more to your taste? This is issue 4 of Dabiq Magazine, the DAESH death cult's own in-house English magazine, is it not?



In the article beginning on page 14 of this magazine, entitled “THE REVIVAL OF SLAVERY BEFORE THE HOUR”, we find the following on page 15:

“Accordingly, the Islamic State [sic] dealt with this group [the Yazidis] as the majority of the fuqaha’ have indicated how mushrikin should be dealt with. Unlike the Jews and the Christians, there was no room for jizyah payment. Also, their women could be enslaved unlike female apostates who the majority of the fuqaha’ say cannot be enslaved and can only be given an ultimatum to repent or face the sword. After capture, the Yazidi women and children were then divided according to the Shari’ah amongst the fighters of the Islamic State [sic] who participated in the Sinjar operations, after one fifth of the slaves were transferred to the Islamic State [sic]’s authority to be divided as khums.

This large-scale enslavement of mushrik families is probably the first since the abandonment of this Shari’ah law. […]

The enslaved Yazidi families are now sold by the Islamic State [sic] soldiers as the mushrikin were sold by the Companions […] before them.”

http://media.clarionproject.org/files/i ... rusade.pdf

No, sorry, but the fact that DAESH engages in practices such as enslaving Yazidis would appear not to be an invention of the right-wing tabloid press. The depraved, sick, twisted perverts of DAESH boast about it in their own magazine.

PS - All sources quoted, so this is a plagiarism free post!

I think you have too much spare time on your hands mate.

[Tim Drayton]

Consider the objectives of IS and evaluate them with an open mind.

Consider the society of the West and others that have and are adopting their principles.

Consider those society's and the manner in which they were first founded and then developed.

Not too much difference is there ?.

Incidentally...congratulations to the Yanks, they have just passed the law which allows same sex marriage, another step towards their eventual cultural demise, it's not bad enough already.

Comparisons will follow soon which might portray a CALIPHATE as not such a bad thing after all.

Once the scum has been cleared out.

Ahem, that's the third time you've repeated that. What's wrong? Got nothing more to say. How about addressing some of the issues raised about the disgusting abomination called DAESH that you, taking advantage of the freedom of speech we have here when DAESH brutally suppresses all dissenting voices, have the audacity to come here and defend?