Sotos wrote:Jerry wrote:Sotos wrote:Jerry wrote:Sotos you are living in a dream world if you think that things will go back to how they were pre 1974. There will be a Turkish entity in the north regardless of what we want and what is fair and just. We need to make the best of a bad job and exchange acceptance of a northern entity for significant return of territory. You are wrong about government and land, if the federation breaks down territory will be the most important issue, however it is not in Turkey's interest to see two separate independent states on the island since it could invite a mainland Greek presence in the south. .
You know very well they invaded to "protect their southern" flank and our mainland Greek friends gave them the excuse they had been waiting for. Unfortunately for Cyprus Turkish paranoia of encirclement by bankrupt Greece has, with the passage of time, been supplemented with Erdogan's neo-ottoman dreams. Despite what you say, reading posts here and in other places their does not appear to be any great love between mainland Turks and Turkish Cypriots, the islamification and colonisation of the occupied territory is not popular with the more secular TCs, we have a choice, do we remain at odds with the minority so that they stay dependent on Turkey or do we "embrace" them as fellow Cypriots and encourage a divorce from the mainland.
If we accept a bad solution this year then we will be dreaming of going back to pre 2015 and it will be impossible. You said that "it is not in Turkey's interest to see two separate independent states", which means that what we have now with one real state controlled by us and one pseudo state controlled by them is even worst for them, right? Then what is best for them? One state which they control the whole of it! Turkey doesn't care so much if the "north state" will be 28% or 30%, what they care is how much control they can have over the whole Cyprus after a "solution". And one thing that the Turks will not object to is that partition will be prohibited... so there will not be any break up of the federation even if we realize that we screwed up. We would be forever stuck as being a mere community in a country protectorate of Turkey! TCs and mainland Turks are the same as far as we are concerned. They might have some differences between them, but they are partners in the crime against us. Their main difference is how they will share between them what was stolen from us!
We already have partition so how can it be prohibited? You are confused, you obviously mean two independent States. Turkey said it needed the guarantees etc in 1960 to protect the TC population throughout the island, it can no longer make that claim, it cannot justify any military move into a southern State even if the federation broke down.
If it's not in Turkey's interests to see the federation break up why on earth would it use what you claim to be it's control over us to precipitate a constitutional crisis.
You are confused. Partition will be prohibited in a BBF agreement, like it was in the Annan plan. So it is wrong to argue that we will get some land back, and then if the BBF breaks down we will end up with more land than what we have now. With a BBF we will sign that partition is prohibited, we will sign that north Cyprus is Turkish, we will give the power to Turkey to control over the WHOLE Cyprus through her local proxies, and then game over us. We will be dreaming of the day we had control of our own country and we will not be able to get back to where we are today.
NO, we already have partition - currently illegal partition. Partition was prohibited in the Zurich agreement and AP but it didn't stop Turkey forcing it upon Cyprus. The Greek Cypriots will not agree to BBF unless significant territory is returned. If Turkey messes around with the governance of the federated State it's likely the Greek Cypriot component would quit the federation whether it's forbidden or not. That would probably result in more mainland Greek influence in the southern State - something Turkey wants to avoid, in fact that's the very reason they invaded in 1974. Turkey would have great difficulty in justifying an incursion into the southern EU member State since there would be few if any TCs needing "rescue".
If there is an agreement Turkey will have to tread very carefully in its dealings with a reborn EU State, it is very dependent on trade and investment from Europe particularly now its economy appears to be faltering.
The alternative is more of the continued colonisation and islamification of the north that we have had to put up with for 41 years, soon it will be completely irreversible and all your huffing, puffing and Turk hating rhetoric will be irrelevant. I hate what Turkey has done to Cyprus as much as you do, I hate the likes of Denktash but Greek Cypriots must accept genuine Turkish Cypriots as fellow citizens of Cyprus if there is to be an acceptable solution.
The bottom line is a fair and just distribution of territory in exchange for a legitimate northern state, if the federated State fails we would be better off than we are now.
