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[Sotos]

Sotos you are living in a dream world if you think that things will go back to how they were pre 1974. There will be a Turkish entity in the north regardless of what we want and what is fair and just. We need to make the best of a bad job and exchange acceptance of a northern entity for significant return of territory. You are wrong about government and land, if the federation breaks down territory will be the most important issue, however it is not in Turkey's interest to see two separate independent states on the island since it could invite a mainland Greek presence in the south. .

You know very well they invaded to "protect their southern" flank and our mainland Greek friends gave them the excuse they had been waiting for. Unfortunately for Cyprus Turkish paranoia of encirclement by bankrupt Greece has, with the passage of time, been supplemented with Erdogan's neo-ottoman dreams. Despite what you say, reading posts here and in other places their does not appear to be any great love between mainland Turks and Turkish Cypriots, the islamification and colonisation of the occupied territory is not popular with the more secular TCs, we have a choice, do we remain at odds with the minority so that they stay dependent on Turkey or do we "embrace" them as fellow Cypriots and encourage a divorce from the mainland.

If we accept a bad solution this year then we will be dreaming of going back to pre 2015 and it will be impossible. You said that "it is not in Turkey's interest to see two separate independent states", which means that what we have now with one real state controlled by us and one pseudo state controlled by them is even worst for them, right? Then what is best for them? One state which they control the whole of it! Turkey doesn't care so much if the "north state" will be 28% or 30%, what they care is how much control they can have over the whole Cyprus after a "solution". And one thing that the Turks will not object to is that partition will be prohibited... so there will not be any break up of the federation even if we realize that we screwed up. We would be forever stuck as being a mere community in a country protectorate of Turkey! TCs and mainland Turks are the same as far as we are concerned. They might have some differences between them, but they are partners in the crime against us. Their main difference is how they will share between them what was stolen from us!

[Lordo]

sotos you are one hell of a dipstick.

[Jerry]

Sotos you are living in a dream world if you think that things will go back to how they were pre 1974. There will be a Turkish entity in the north regardless of what we want and what is fair and just. We need to make the best of a bad job and exchange acceptance of a northern entity for significant return of territory. You are wrong about government and land, if the federation breaks down territory will be the most important issue, however it is not in Turkey's interest to see two separate independent states on the island since it could invite a mainland Greek presence in the south. .

You know very well they invaded to "protect their southern" flank and our mainland Greek friends gave them the excuse they had been waiting for. Unfortunately for Cyprus Turkish paranoia of encirclement by bankrupt Greece has, with the passage of time, been supplemented with Erdogan's neo-ottoman dreams. Despite what you say, reading posts here and in other places their does not appear to be any great love between mainland Turks and Turkish Cypriots, the islamification and colonisation of the occupied territory is not popular with the more secular TCs, we have a choice, do we remain at odds with the minority so that they stay dependent on Turkey or do we "embrace" them as fellow Cypriots and encourage a divorce from the mainland.

If we accept a bad solution this year then we will be dreaming of going back to pre 2015 and it will be impossible. You said that "it is not in Turkey's interest to see two separate independent states", which means that what we have now with one real state controlled by us and one pseudo state controlled by them is even worst for them, right? Then what is best for them? One state which they control the whole of it! Turkey doesn't care so much if the "north state" will be 28% or 30%, what they care is how much control they can have over the whole Cyprus after a "solution". And one thing that the Turks will not object to is that partition will be prohibited... so there will not be any break up of the federation even if we realize that we screwed up. We would be forever stuck as being a mere community in a country protectorate of Turkey! TCs and mainland Turks are the same as far as we are concerned. They might have some differences between them, but they are partners in the crime against us. Their main difference is how they will share between them what was stolen from us!

We already have partition so how can it be prohibited? You are confused, you obviously mean two independent States. Turkey said it needed the guarantees etc in 1960 to protect the TC population throughout the island, it can no longer make that claim, it cannot justify any military move into a southern State even if the federation broke down.

If it's not in Turkey's interests to see the federation break up why on earth would it use what you claim to be it's control over us to precipitate a constitutional crisis.

[Lordo]

that is not the only inconsistency in his arguments. he has to explain how under bbf terggy can control the southern federation.

[Get Real!]

that is not the only inconsistency in his arguments. he has to explain how under bbf terggy can control the southern federation.

That implies that there won't be a problem for Turkey controlling the northern one!

You just shot yourself in the foot...

Of course we agree with you… a BBF would be tantamount to GIFTING the northern portion of Cyprus to Turkey that only an idiot would sign!

Bye-bye doofus…

[Lordo]

that is not the only inconsistency in his arguments. he has to explain how under bbf terggy can control the southern federation.

That implies that there won't be a problem for Turkey controlling the northern one!

You just shot yourself in the foot...

there is no implication in my post gr, it is easy enough question. explain how under bbf the terggs will control the south. your problem is that you have no balls and therefore cannot understand how the tcs can say no to the terggs. once the tcs can stand on their own feet regarding finances then you can see what they will do. you cannot bite the hand that feeds you gr, of all people and old dog like you should know that. ask milti he knows about it.

[Get Real!]

..explain how under bbf the terggs will control the south.

On the contrary, the onus is on YOUR PEOPLE to explain how the northern one will NOT be controlled by Turkey!

... once the tcs can stand on their own feet regarding finances then you can see what they will do.

Yeah... when my granny grows balls she'll be able to produce sperm.

[Sotos]

Sotos you are living in a dream world if you think that things will go back to how they were pre 1974. There will be a Turkish entity in the north regardless of what we want and what is fair and just. We need to make the best of a bad job and exchange acceptance of a northern entity for significant return of territory. You are wrong about government and land, if the federation breaks down territory will be the most important issue, however it is not in Turkey's interest to see two separate independent states on the island since it could invite a mainland Greek presence in the south. .

You know very well they invaded to "protect their southern" flank and our mainland Greek friends gave them the excuse they had been waiting for. Unfortunately for Cyprus Turkish paranoia of encirclement by bankrupt Greece has, with the passage of time, been supplemented with Erdogan's neo-ottoman dreams. Despite what you say, reading posts here and in other places their does not appear to be any great love between mainland Turks and Turkish Cypriots, the islamification and colonisation of the occupied territory is not popular with the more secular TCs, we have a choice, do we remain at odds with the minority so that they stay dependent on Turkey or do we "embrace" them as fellow Cypriots and encourage a divorce from the mainland.

If we accept a bad solution this year then we will be dreaming of going back to pre 2015 and it will be impossible. You said that "it is not in Turkey's interest to see two separate independent states", which means that what we have now with one real state controlled by us and one pseudo state controlled by them is even worst for them, right? Then what is best for them? One state which they control the whole of it! Turkey doesn't care so much if the "north state" will be 28% or 30%, what they care is how much control they can have over the whole Cyprus after a "solution". And one thing that the Turks will not object to is that partition will be prohibited... so there will not be any break up of the federation even if we realize that we screwed up. We would be forever stuck as being a mere community in a country protectorate of Turkey! TCs and mainland Turks are the same as far as we are concerned. They might have some differences between them, but they are partners in the crime against us. Their main difference is how they will share between them what was stolen from us!

We already have partition so how can it be prohibited? You are confused, you obviously mean two independent States. Turkey said it needed the guarantees etc in 1960 to protect the TC population throughout the island, it can no longer make that claim, it cannot justify any military move into a southern State even if the federation broke down.

If it's not in Turkey's interests to see the federation break up why on earth would it use what you claim to be it's control over us to precipitate a constitutional crisis.

You are confused. Partition will be prohibited in a BBF agreement, like it was in the Annan plan. So it is wrong to argue that we will get some land back, and then if the BBF breaks down we will end up with more land than what we have now. With a BBF we will sign that partition is prohibited, we will sign that north Cyprus is Turkish, we will give the power to Turkey to control over the WHOLE Cyprus through her local proxies, and then game over us. We will be dreaming of the day we had control of our own country and we will not be able to get back to where we are today.

[Sotos]

explain how under bbf the terggs will control the south.

Turkey will control the whole Cyprus through her local proxies (TCs) who will be given 50% power and the native majority will not be able to take any decision without their approval (i.e. the approval of Turkey)

once the tcs can stand on their own feet regarding finances then you can see what they will do. you cannot bite the hand that feeds you

Can you bite the hand that props you up and elevates you from a small minority to a "partner" with your own state on land stolen by Turkish troops? No. Thats why you want to keep the Turkish guarantees, because without that Turkish hand you are just a minority. So either you accept to be a Cypriot minority or to be a partner of Turkey against native Cypriots. There is no alternative.

[Lordo]

you do realise that 50% does not give control, 50.01% does.
secondly you are assuming the tcs will be controlled by terggy.
well there you are making an ass of yourself. if you behave and yo do things that that benefit both communities why would they block you, you stupid asshole.