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[Sotos]

So basically you agree to give to them the north as long as it is a bit smaller than what they occupy now ... and you also agree to give them 50% say for the whole of Cyprus, basically taking away from the native Cypriots the right to rule their own country. That is not a solution. That is making the problem worst!

As legitimate residents and landowners in Cyprus the TCs must be entitled to some of it. They have taken the north whether we like it or not, we need to negotiate the return of a significant part of it. Only the ROC can legitimise the northern state whatever its status, it will have to be a trade off, territory for acceptance of a northern component state.

The only thing that TCs can have as residents and landowners is ... be residents and landowners! Not a separate state of any kind... especially when that's on stolen land!

Ultimately economics, not the federal constitution, will determine who governs Cyprus, the 50/50 "say" will be irrelevant

Here are some more of those kind of sophistries: "It doesn't matter because we are in EU and EU takes all the decisions anyway", "That arrangement is only temporary until we can trust each other" etc. All nonsense! Why do you think the Turks insist so much on this issue if it is so unimportant? Don't believe the one liner nonsense that you hear. How Cyprus is governed is the MOST important issue... more so than land. Because if we get that wrong then Turkey will have control of the whole Cyprus, which is EXACTLY what Turkey wants. You think partition is the best possible outcome for Turkey? Think again! Something like the Annan plan is what would suit Turkey best. Turkey controlling the whole Cyprus is much better for them than controlling just 1/3rd of it.

[Lordo]

this is how the nazis came to power and destroyed germany. the gcs will do the same if they apply the thinking that sotos is suggesting. how can bbf be a division and also give terggy control over the whole of cyprus. the whole point of bbf is the gcs will not be able to control the tcs and the tcs will not be able to control gcs. how the hell can terggy take control of the whole of cyprus under this system.

lets face it your average gc is as thick as shit and has been since 1955. thats why we are in the mess we are in and bbf is the only way forwards. time will show that you people cannot be lived with and it will lead to division. it will be your doing just like 1963, it was your doing and you still not have learned a thing from it after 53 years. ffs hwo long do you need to get through to your thick skulls.

[Sotos]

The Turks are the Nazis. They committed genocides, just like the Nazis. They invaded Cyprus to "protect their minority", just like the excuse Nazis gave when they invaded Czechoslovakia. They occupy territories which do not belong to them, just like the Nazis did. The whole Cyprus belongs to its native Cypriot people. Why should any Turk control a place like Kerynia?? It is ours, not yours. And the Turkish minority in Cyprus is controlled by Turkey. This was ALWAYS the case... in the 30s,40s,50s,60s,70s,80s... all the way until today. They are not some "different separate Turks". They are the same kind of Turks as those in Turkey and they ALL work together to steal our lands and our rights. So any control we give to the Turkish minority equates control given to Turkey.

[Get Real!]

The Turks are the Nazis. They committed genocides, just like the Nazis. They invaded Cyprus to "protect their minority", just like the excuse Nazis gave when they invaded Czechoslovakia. They occupy territories which do not belong to them, just like the Nazis did. The whole Cyprus belongs to its native Cypriot people. Why should any Turk control a place like Kerynia?? It is ours, not yours. And the Turkish minority in Cyprus is controlled by Turkey. This was ALWAYS the case... in the 30s,40s,50s,60s,70s,80s... all the way until today. They are not some "different separate Turks". They are the same kind of Turks as those in Turkey and they ALL work together to steal our lands and our rights. So any control we give to the Turkish minority equates control given to Turkey.

Good post... I agree 100%.

Their evil aims are very obvious.

Had they been a good people they would’ve been asking for ASSIMILATION into the Cypriot population, not stupid greedy things like “power sharing” and the formation of cantons on our tiny territory!

They are after all a minority and need to learn their place.

[Lordo]

of course master

get a life you stupid idiots.

[Get Real!]

of course master

get a life you stupid idiots.

Sorry mate we’re just not buying your shit!

[Lordo]

of course master

get a life you stupid idiots.

Sorry mate we’re just not buying your shit!

fine talk coming from somebody full of it.

[Jerry]

The Turks are the Nazis. They committed genocides, just like the Nazis. They invaded Cyprus to "protect their minority", just like the excuse Nazis gave when they invaded Czechoslovakia. They occupy territories which do not belong to them, just like the Nazis did. The whole Cyprus belongs to its native Cypriot people. Why should any Turk control a place like Kerynia?? It is ours, not yours. And the Turkish minority in Cyprus is controlled by Turkey. This was ALWAYS the case... in the 30s,40s,50s,60s,70s,80s... all the way until today. They are not some "different separate Turks". They are the same kind of Turks as those in Turkey and they ALL work together to steal our lands and our rights. So any control we give to the Turkish minority equates control given to Turkey.

Sotos you are living in a dream world if you think that things will go back to how they were pre 1974. There will be a Turkish entity in the north regardless of what we want and what is fair and just. We need to make the best of a bad job and exchange acceptance of a northern entity for significant return of territory. You are wrong about government and land, if the federation breaks down territory will be the most important issue, however it is not in Turkey's interest to see two separate independent states on the island since it could invite a mainland Greek presence in the south. .

You know very well they invaded to "protect their southern" flank and our mainland Greek friends gave them the excuse they had been waiting for. Unfortunately for Cyprus Turkish paranoia of encirclement by bankrupt Greece has, with the passage of time, been supplemented with Erdogan's neo-ottoman dreams. Despite what you say, reading posts here and in other places their does not appear to be any great love between mainland Turks and Turkish Cypriots, the islamification and colonisation of the occupied territory is not popular with the more secular TCs, we have a choice, do we remain at odds with the minority so that they stay dependent on Turkey or do we "embrace" them as fellow Cypriots and encourage a divorce from the mainland.

[Get Real!]

There will be a Turkish entity in the north regardless of what we want and what is fair and just. We need to make the best of a bad job and exchange acceptance of a northern entity for significant return of territory.

I'll bet you were bullied at school...

[Jerry]

There will be a Turkish entity in the north regardless of what we want and what is fair and just. We need to make the best of a bad job and exchange acceptance of a northern entity for significant return of territory.

I'll bet you were bullied at school...

I bet you were the failed class comedian.