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Re: When Cypriots invented iron...

Postby kurupetos » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:55 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Haven't got time to watch such a long video, but, no one "invented" iron (except God, perhaps) as it is an element.

But, the Greeks have the most evidence for the longest time working this element and, specifically on Cyprus, as second a region among all the archaeological finds. So, as Cyprus is part of Greece, there is good correlation that in the Greek world, where iron has been worked the longest, that Cyprus could be one of the Greek regions of the earliest and greatest productions. :D

You're right GIG. Cypriots didn't invent iron, but they discovered iron and invented the processes of smelting and smithing. :wink:
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Re: When Cypriots invented iron...

Postby kurupetos » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:59 am

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GreekIslandGirl wrote:Haven't got time to watch such a long video, but, no one "invented" iron (except God, perhaps) as it is an element.

But, the Greeks have the most evidence for the longest time working this element and, specifically on Cyprus, as second a region among all the archaeological finds. So, as Cyprus is part of Greece, there is good correlation that in the Greek world, where iron has been worked the longest, that Cyprus could be one of the Greek regions of the earliest and greatest productions. :D


But I have to disagree that Cyprus is a part of Greece, except as a result of conquest events, initially in the period about 1150 BC, but more significantly in the period say 330 to 300 BC, indeed up to say 1200 BC Cyprus was very much a part of the Non Greek Eastern Mediterranean Levantine/Egyptian world rather then then "Greek" Aegean based civilization, and indeed maintained many of those links through to 300 BC when the entire area was consumed by Macedonian Imperialism, probably as offensive to then then indigenous inhabitants as the latter Ottoman imperialism and when non Greek languages then spoken in Cyprus were suppressed by law. At least the Ottomans for all their faults did not do that.

Greece was however a late comer in working Iron. Lordo for all his faults is correct that there is older evidence of Iron working in Anatolia - One of the earliest smelted iron artifacts known was a dagger with an iron blade found in a Hattic tomb in Anatolia, dating from 2500 BC, while metallurgical analysis of iron fragments found at Kaman-Kalehöyük in 1994 and dating to c. 1800 BC revealed that some of these fragments were composed of carbon steel, which is the world's earliest known evidence for steel manufacture.

With the same logic Greece was at a time non-Greek, dog. However it's a fact that Cyprus has been Greek for the last 3500 years. :wink:
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Re: When Cypriots invented iron...

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:05 am

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supporttheunderdog wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Haven't got time to watch such a long video, but, no one "invented" iron (except God, perhaps) as it is an element.

But, the Greeks have the most evidence for the longest time working this element and, specifically on Cyprus, as second a region among all the archaeological finds. So, as Cyprus is part of Greece, there is good correlation that in the Greek world, where iron has been worked the longest, that Cyprus could be one of the Greek regions of the earliest and greatest productions. :D


But I have to disagree that Cyprus is a part of Greece, except as a result of conquest events, initially in the period about 1150 BC, but more significantly in the period say 330 to 300 BC, indeed up to say 1200 BC Cyprus was very much a part of the Non Greek Eastern Mediterranean Levantine/Egyptian world rather then then "Greek" Aegean based civilization, and indeed maintained many of those links through to 300 BC when the entire area was consumed by Macedonian Imperialism, probably as offensive to then then indigenous inhabitants as the latter Ottoman imperialism and when non Greek languages then spoken in Cyprus were suppressed by law. At least the Ottomans for all their faults did not do that.

Greece was however a late comer in working Iron. Lordo for all his faults is correct that there is older evidence of Iron working in Anatolia - One of the earliest smelted iron artifacts known was a dagger with an iron blade found in a Hattic tomb in Anatolia, dating from 2500 BC, while metallurgical analysis of iron fragments found at Kaman-Kalehöyük in 1994 and dating to c. 1800 BC revealed that some of these fragments were composed of carbon steel, which is the world's earliest known evidence for steel manufacture.

With the same logic Greece was at a time non-Greek, dog. However it's a fact that Cyprus has been Greek for the last 3500 years. :wink:


You have just swallowed a lot of Greek historical Bullshit which has sought and seeks to rewrite history.
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Re: When Cypriots invented iron...

Postby kurupetos » Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:09 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Haven't got time to watch such a long video, but, no one "invented" iron (except God, perhaps) as it is an element.

But, the Greeks have the most evidence for the longest time working this element and, specifically on Cyprus, as second a region among all the archaeological finds. So, as Cyprus is part of Greece, there is good correlation that in the Greek world, where iron has been worked the longest, that Cyprus could be one of the Greek regions of the earliest and greatest productions. :D


But I have to disagree that Cyprus is a part of Greece, except as a result of conquest events, initially in the period about 1150 BC, but more significantly in the period say 330 to 300 BC, indeed up to say 1200 BC Cyprus was very much a part of the Non Greek Eastern Mediterranean Levantine/Egyptian world rather then then "Greek" Aegean based civilization, and indeed maintained many of those links through to 300 BC when the entire area was consumed by Macedonian Imperialism, probably as offensive to then then indigenous inhabitants as the latter Ottoman imperialism and when non Greek languages then spoken in Cyprus were suppressed by law. At least the Ottomans for all their faults did not do that.

Greece was however a late comer in working Iron. Lordo for all his faults is correct that there is older evidence of Iron working in Anatolia - One of the earliest smelted iron artifacts known was a dagger with an iron blade found in a Hattic tomb in Anatolia, dating from 2500 BC, while metallurgical analysis of iron fragments found at Kaman-Kalehöyük in 1994 and dating to c. 1800 BC revealed that some of these fragments were composed of carbon steel, which is the world's earliest known evidence for steel manufacture.

With the same logic Greece was at a time non-Greek, dog. However it's a fact that Cyprus has been Greek for the last 3500 years. :wink:


You have just swallowed a lot of Greek historical Bullshit which has sought and seeks to rewrite history.

No, I have been reading articles written by Turkish journalists in Israeli newspapers... :mrgreen:
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