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[Lordo]

those who call pre 1974 tc houses hennerys or mandres are assholinggalamaraes. house is a house is a house. even if it is totally demolished after 1974 so long as it was there in 1974.

those have the balls to move north are real cypriots. i can see which side you belong to.

so finally re recognised your terggis bazaar activities. there should be no adjustments. just plain current value. it is the only fair way. you have had 50 years of legitimacy, free trade, foreign investment and foreign aid. that is sufficient adjustment for you. by the way the 30% of all foreign aid given to roc since 1963 is to be included in the over all settlement and unless it is forthcoming in cash it should be collected in the form of percentage government land.

[Kikapu]

what is wrong with doing some work in the meantime to help. the agreement may be voted on next march. why wait till then to begin implementation.

or are you worried a plan not that different to the annan plan will be accepted. admit it old man.

That will be like a couple not ready to have a baby, but they are buying baby stuff already just in case a baby comes along, even though the couple are both using protection. Does that make sense?

Once there is a settlement, there won't be any official crossings. It will be an open road between two federal states, so it is a waste of time to set up new crossings that will cost money just for few months if you think next March is the referendum date.

AP was 13,000 pages long. I'm sure there are some things in the AP that will be on the new proposal if we ever get that far. After all, even a broken clock is correct twice a day!

[B25]

The Kibris paper is reporting that they want a min number of gcs to return. It says 100,000 will not be able to return but compensated. So tge racist facist illegal occupied area will not adhere to EU norms, ie free movement of people. Looks like any solution is already dead in the water.

[Lordo]

what is wrong with doing some work in the meantime to help. the agreement may be voted on next march. why wait till then to begin implementation.

or are you worried a plan not that different to the annan plan will be accepted. admit it old man.

That will be like a couple not ready to have a baby, but they are buying baby stuff already just in case a baby comes along, even though the couple are both using protection. Does that make sense?

Once there is a settlement, there won't be any official crossings. It will be an open road between two federal states, so it is a waste of time to set up new crossings that will cost money just for few months if you think next March is the referendum date.

AP was 13,000 pages long. I'm sure there are some things in the AP that will be on the new proposal if we ever get that far. After all, even a broken clock is correct twice a day!

let me put it in to context for you so you can understand it. as sex is the only thing you understand.

it is like a couple who decide not to wait till their wedding top have sex so they start before the wedding,
first light petting and squeezing of the of the unmentionable parts
then kissing and tonguing
then full sex with protection so no babies

and then after the wedding night they can stop using charlui bags to have baby.

what are you worried about that opening a few more crossings may actually help the peace process along.

you say that there 13,000 pages and papdobillos found only 8 things in it to object to. and guess what guarantees was not one of them.

its a coming i am telling you.

[Kikapu]

what is wrong with doing some work in the meantime to help. the agreement may be voted on next march. why wait till then to begin implementation.

or are you worried a plan not that different to the annan plan will be accepted. admit it old man.

That will be like a couple not ready to have a baby, but they are buying baby stuff already just in case a baby comes along, even though the couple are both using protection. Does that make sense?

Once there is a settlement, there won't be any official crossings. It will be an open road between two federal states, so it is a waste of time to set up new crossings that will cost money just for few months if you think next March is the referendum date.

AP was 13,000 pages long. I'm sure there are some things in the AP that will be on the new proposal if we ever get that far. After all, even a broken clock is correct twice a day!

let me put it in to context for you so you can understand it. as sex is the only thing you understand.

it is like a couple who decide not to wait till their wedding top have sex so they start before the wedding,
first light petting and squeezing of the of the unmentionable parts
then kissing and tonguing
then full sex with protection so no babies

and then after the wedding night they can stop using charlui bags to have baby.

what are you worried about that opening a few more crossings may actually help the peace process along.

you say that there 13,000 pages and papdobillos found only 8 things in it to object to. and guess what guarantees was not one of them.

its a coming i am telling you.

Well, by the looks of it, he only needed 8 things to get an OXI.

Well, my point is, these so called "confidence building measures" seems to me as substitute for any solution, because the crossings have been open for over 10 years in the form of so called "confidence building" for a settlement, but no settlement has happened. Looks to me like the two leaders are doing a lot of "foreplay" but are not able to do any boinking together, other than both boinking the people of Cyprus.

If a future settlement is not going to be based on EU norms, then not only there won't be a settlement, there shouldn't be one at all. My guess is, Akinci will try to get the Famagusta port and Ercan opened up for direct services in anyway he can and offer back Verosha with strings attached as a "confidence building measures", and then live with that as a "final settlement" for another 50 years.

Akinci got his orders from Erdogan last month on what he should do. Will he go against Turkey's wishes? I doubt it. Not unless Turkey's future new government is interested in becoming an EU member, then they might just want to have a settlement in Cyprus, still with strings attached, of course, just to give themselves a chance with the EU. The only problem is, for Turkey to become a EU member in the next 50 years, is zero to none.

[Lordo]

you are very wrong. you have been wrong all along and you will be wrong again. akinci put erdogan in his place publicly. that was wrong but it served its purpose.

the trouble with you is you are firther right than elam. that is your problem. you are in the minority. the principles of bbf has been agreed and the details are also being agreed. read the un announcement and weep kikapu hongur hoggur agla be. your idea of bringing tcs to be a minority is over. tcs will have equal political share at the federal level and they will run freely their own state. and if you think that leaders like akinci will take orders from erdogan or any other terggish leader you have had your head in your arse for too long. remove it every so often and take a deep breath before shoving it back in again.

the times they are a changing.

[Kikapu]

you are very wrong. you have been wrong all along and you will be wrong again. akinci put erdogan in his place publicly. that was wrong but it served its purpose.

the trouble with you is you are firther right than elam. that is your problem. you are in the minority. the principles of bbf has been agreed and the details are also being agreed. read the un announcement and weep kikapu hongur hoggur agla be. your idea of bringing tcs to be a minority is over. tcs will have equal political share at the federal level and they will run freely their own state. and if you think that leaders like akinci will take orders from erdogan or any other terggish leader you have had your head in your arse for too long. remove it every so often and take a deep breath before shoving it back in again.

the times they are a changing.

Which UN report gives the TCs equal political share at the federal level? Last time I looked, the UN gave political equality of each state at the Federal level. There is a huge difference between the two.

I'm all for BBF under True Democracy, True Federation, EU Principles and International laws. Anything short of these principles, Cypriots will lose in the long run.

[Lordo]

you are very wrong. you have been wrong all along and you will be wrong again. akinci put erdogan in his place publicly. that was wrong but it served its purpose.

the trouble with you is you are firther right than elam. that is your problem. you are in the minority. the principles of bbf has been agreed and the details are also being agreed. read the un announcement and weep kikapu hongur hoggur agla be. your idea of bringing tcs to be a minority is over. tcs will have equal political share at the federal level and they will run freely their own state. and if you think that leaders like akinci will take orders from erdogan or any other terggish leader you have had your head in your arse for too long. remove it every so often and take a deep breath before shoving it back in again.

the times they are a changing.

Which UN report gives the TCs equal political share at the federal level? Last time I looked, the UN gave political equality of each state at the Federal level. There is a huge difference between the two.

I'm all for BBF under True Democracy, True Federation, EU Principles and International laws. Anything short of these principles, Cypriots will lose in the long run.

you are full of bull as per usual. there is no such thin in the true eu human rights. everybody can pick and chose what they want to follow and what they dont.
i already told you the tories had in their manifesto to scrap the eu human rights act in the uk and nobody flinched an eye. no body said we cannot do that. to be in the eu we have to have true eu human rights. you are true karpazian species of the four legged verity.

[Nikitas]

The reason that there is not much mention of EU human rights is because the issue is covered by the Council of Europe accords which is something totally different to the EU. The European Court of Human Rights applies the European Charter of Human Rights, NOT EU principles.

As for the notion that post solution there will be no demarcation lines, I have my reservations. It is hard to see how the TC insistence on strict bizonality can be maintained with no clear demarcation lines and legal tools to enforce it. The mention above of today's Kipris headline (We cannot accept 100 000 GCs returning) is indicative of TC attitudes.

Now, as we get to the "hard" negotiation of territory and properties there will be revelations of the true nature of the issue. The bottom line on these issues is to propose "giving" the dead zone to the GCs, returning very little territory or properties and shifting the issue to "compensation" the cost of which will be financed mostly by the GCs themselves.

We are back to the Annan problem which one GC newspaper put as "being asked to accept non return of properties and pay our own compensation".

Nazmi in today's Politis paper proposes involving banks, presumably GC banks, in the compensation process, indirectly saying that the whole of the GC community will bear the cost of indemnifying GC property owners.

The only thing missing is to have Turkey ask for compensation for the invasion costs.

If the only incentive to a solution is the above, ie not much different than the situation as is now, expect another OXI.

[Pyrpolizer]

Compensation can only be accepted in case the property is used for public purposes.
It seems they want to "compensate" everyone who will not return, hence eat his property for peanuts and donate it to someone else.
This equates to legalized stealing and taking away property rights. Let them go have a deep sleep for another 50 years.