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[Lordo]

so ignorant lawyers you say. lets wait and see the formula they work out.

[Pyrpolizer]

so ignorant lawyers you say. lets wait and see the formula they work out.

Yes ignorant lawyers. Read the case yourself fcs! The man and his sister did not even inherit the properties did not even have legal title deeds.
Then another stupid woman a lawyer this time (Meleagrou) filled up the internet with total nonsense trying to terrify the GCs just because her own case was considered inadmissible. For this, again, FIRST read the verdict yourself, it's only one page, it tells the facts clearly. Then read the nonsense she herself filled up the internet with and judge by yourself if they are nonsense or not.
The right to property owned directly,or inherited, by either physical persons or COMPANIES,is a very basic human right under the European convention and all ECHR decisions refer to that.

And finally.... Not even one ECHR decision sets a precedence.The decisions might be final and that's all about it. Each case is examined separately. If they had set a precedence then every GC refugee would go there and get millions within a few hours.

Like i said we did not need the ECHR to tell us the difference between a house and a home. We knew it all along. Some stupid people didn't know and spent their money going to the ECHR...that's all.

[Maximus]

Thats right Bordo, You cant pick and choose. Just because the ECHR has made a distinction between what is a house/property and what is a home is neither here nor there. I can own a seperate property as well as a home. anyone who has the financial means can.

Now, Lets take the case of Loizidou v Turkey : The verdict.

"In 1996 the European Court of Human Rights ruled 11 to 6 that Turkey committed a continuing violation of the rights of a Greek Cypriot woman by preventing her from going to her property located in north Cyprus. The ruling reaffirmed the validity of property deeds issued prior to 1974. The Court also found in this case that "it was obvious from the large number of troops engaged in active duties in northern Cyprus that the Turkish army exercised effective overall control there. In the circumstances of the case, this entailed Turkey’s responsibility for the policies and actions of the ‘TRNC’". In July the Court ordered Turkey to pay the woman approximately $915,000 in damages and costs by October 28. Initially Turkey declined to pay the damages awarded.[3] The Turkish Government stated that it cannot implement the Court’s decision, which it contends is a political decision, and argued that the land in question is not Turkish but is part of the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. The Council of Europe (COE) during 1999 continued to call on the Turkish Government to comply with the Court’s decision. In October the COE Committee of Ministers’ Deputies voted to deplore Turkey’s lack of compliance. A number of similar cases have been filed with the ECHR."

The Court also stated expressly that the damages awarded were not compensation for the property per se, but only for the denial of the ownership and use of the property, and that Ms Loizidou retains full legal ownership of her property.


So basically, the GC's are entitled to damages and compensation by being prevented from going to their property since 1974 AND they still retain ownership of everything they legally owned in the trashcan prior to 1974.

You talk about compensation a lot Bordo. I want to know who is going to compensate the GC's given the sums are a staggering amount. Do you think like Akinci? that they will be compensated from their own gas fields. F wally....

[Lordo]

oh well i am so glad you said that. we can choose and indeed we will.

no good looking at loizidou case because the eu have said that they will not do another one. local remedy is there in place. use it or lose it is the name of the game.

check mate one last time.

[Pyrpolizer]

oh well i am so glad you said that. we can choose and indeed we will.

no good looking at loizidou case because the eu have said that they will not do another one. local remedy is there in place. use it or lose it is the name of the game.

check mate one last time.

So you think the so called 'local remedy" is THE solution?? Dream on. First of all the IPC was allowed to function as a local remedy of Turkey, as an occupying force. Supposedly Turkey will not be an occupying force after a solution, so what would be the local remedy other than the local laws? Do you think the GCs will ever accept a solution where they have to go to courts to claim their rights over their properties? Dream on again.
Actually it was not after the Loizidou case that they accepted the functioning of the IPC.It was after the Demopoulos case. Nevertheless lots of cases bypassed the IPC already by directly suing the trespassers. May I remind you of the Orams case in 2009? You don't want the GCs to start suing you directly and BY NAME Lordo Yusuf efendi do you?

Do you know how much Apostolides got from his Orans case? Even their house in England is at stake

[Lordo]

fair exchange for tc land held after tcs exchanged their properties for gc property in the north. ipc is in credit dear boy. the land value they hold is manyfolds more than the land gcs will claim. it is all your doing. if you did not put embargoes onon the tcs for 60 years it would have been more balanced.

just the tc lands in larnaka and limasol and baf is enough to exchange all the property in the north. you can have maras back as a gift as it is efkaf land.

bring it on baby. about time you had some reality checks on the fact that the ground your stand on is surrounded by quicksand. if i trespassed on a gc cypriot property they are welcome to sue me. considering you aint got a clue who i am you got no leg stand on. i let those with gc property worry about such things. as i have none what have i got to worry.

considering there are 160,000 properties and only a hand full has been acted on in the last 50 years work out how long before justice is served even if it is allowed to go down that path. a million years perhaps.
in the end it is the roc that will have to either return the tc lands remaining to their owners or buy them at market value. this is your song. in your dreams boy.

[Get Real!]

Yes that's an excellent song to play all day over loudspeakers in the occupied territory!

[Lordo]

Yes that's an excellent song to play all day over loudspeakers in the occupied territory!

you can try but all you will get is this

[Pyrpolizer]

fair exchange for tc land held after tcs exchanged their properties for gc property in the north. ipc is in credit dear boy. the land value they hold is manyfolds more than the land gcs will claim. it is all your doing. if you did not put embargoes onon the tcs for 60 years it would have been more balanced.

just the tc lands in larnaka and limasol and baf is enough to exchange all the property in the north. you can have maras back as a gift as it is efkaf land.

bring it on baby. about time you had some reality checks on the fact that the ground your stand on is surrounded by quicksand. if i trespassed on a gc cypriot property they are welcome to sue me. considering you aint got a clue who i am you got no leg stand on. i let those with gc property worry about such things. as i have none what have i got to worry.

considering there are 160,000 properties and only a hand full has been acted on in the last 50 years work out how long before justice is served even if it is allowed to go down that path. a million years perhaps.
in the end it is the roc that will have to either return the tc lands remaining to their owners or buy them at market value. this is your song. in your dreams boy.

How many times should I tell you your calculations are fallacious??
"Current value" of GC land in the occupied has absolutely nothing to do with it's real value. Simply because it is stolen land in a non state.
For a GC refugee who is at dire straits e.g. Tymbios who exchanged his land in the occupied with Evkaf land in Larnaca is a matter of choice between ZERO value (no solution) -the value his properties would have after a solution- and the value his lands currently have in the occupied as stolen lands in a non state. His choice doesn't concern anyone. Moreover it cannot be set as a rule for anyone in case of a solution.

You think you can exchange lands after a solution based on todays situation of stolen lands in a non state with the values of well developed lands in an advanced EU state? And on top of it force the GCs to accept this froggy rule?? Dream on, or listen to your song once again.
The values of the lands in the occupied will no longer be their "current value". But rather something between today's current value of genuine TC land in the occupied and GC land in a similar location in the free areas. Notice also that values in the free areas will drop after a solution as a result of abundance.

Now here's some old bad news for you:The Annan Plan that was generally bad on all issues, assumed that exchange of Lands would be for lands in SIMILAR LOCATIONS. This translates to equal FUTURE value of lands NOT current. Anladin mi yavrum?

[Lordo]

you are so funny. so the gc in north are stolen but tc lands in the south are not. very good. thats what happens when you let thieves run a country.

blah blah blah yea right what ever.



bunch of sissy marys.