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[Lordo]

the ink had not dried yet when they set about destroying roc and want to talk about 1571 gr when you thanked the ottomans from saving your from the venetians. or have you not read about what the venetians doing to you.

[MR-from-NG]

The GCs did ZERO compared to what the filthy vile Ottomans did on the island for over 4 centuries (still going actually if you take into consideration all the problems they have caused and are causing the Cypriot natives to this very day) and that’s the bottom line.

So what steps has the useless, backwards, and counter-productive TC community taken (in the last 100 years even) to make amends with the Cypriot natives after all the troubles they've caused them, other than trying to be clever all day pointing their stinky blood-drenched Ottoman finger while hiding behind Turkey's skirt?

Come on clever ones debate this! Debate my arse!

I'll mop the floor with the lot of you!

PATHETIC FOOLS!

oh oh Rambos had a few too many

[Pyrpolizer]

the ink on the agreement had not dried yet and there you had the president and the rest of the ministers set about destroying the republic. and here we have people to this day dare claim the tcs are responsible for what went on. tcs supposedly did not vote for a tax law which caused caos. have you people now see how stupid you have been.

As if the Vice president and the TC Ministers set about anything different LOL...
You haven't answered my question: Does a crime excuse a 100 times bigger crime?

[Lordo]

the president set about abolishing the furquin republic and enosise. what other choice did the tc ministers have. are you on drugs.

[Sotos]

Here is a reply comment at CM:

The so called 1960 "agreements" were written by foreigners and forced on the Cypriot people by means of blackmail. So what is the actual problem here: (a) Forcing the native people to accept some racist, unfair constitution that benefited foreign countries and their settlers on the expense of the vast majority of the population, or (b) the native people showing unwillingness to obey what the foreign imperialists imposed on them?

Obviously the REAL problem in that case is that a racist, undemocratic constitution was forced on the Cypriot people, and NOT that the Cypriot people continued to want what is natural for every native population: The right to democratically take decisions for their own territory.

The Cyprus Problem as it exists today is in fact one of occupation, since Turkey is illegally occupying 1/3rd of Cyprus and that is the main problem TODAY. But of course this doesn't mean that we didn't have problems in Cyprus before 1974. Of course we did. When the Ottoman Turks were first invading Cyprus, killing 10s of thousands of Cypriots - it was a problem. When the Ottoman Turks went on to oppress the Cypriot people for 3+ centuries - it was a problem. When the British refused to set Cyprus free, even after WWII and the promises they had given to Cypriot people who fought on their side - it was a problem. When instead of allowing the Cypriot people to peacefully and democratically choose the destiny of Cyprus, foreign imperialists ganged up on the native Cypriot population and forced on them some pseudo-independence (with SBAs, foreign made constitution, foreign judges of the supreme court, provocative privileges to a specific minority etc) - it was a problem.

The problem overall - which is the same for centuries - is that foreigners rule over Cyprus. The native Cypriot people trying to take themselves the decisions for the destiny of their our own island is NOT the problem, but in fact an attempt by the Cypriots to SOLVE the problem created to Cyprus by the foreign invaders and their settlers.

If in the early 1950s (or even earlier) the British accepted that the Cypriot people could peacefully and democratically decide what they wanted for their own island, with a referendum similar to those made in Gibraltar and the Falklands, the the Cypriot people would have probably chosen to unite with the rest of Greece, and these kinds of problems would have ended (maybe we would have different problems of economic nature, but that is a different discussion). Something similar happened with Rhodes island, which also has a Turkish minority, and which united with the rest of Greece in 1947. As a result there is no "Rhodian Problem".

Unfortunately the British made referenda only in places where they knew that the result would suit them, so they could then claim "...but the people of those territories want to be with us, look at the results of the referendum...". In Cyprus their democratic values were absent, and they were instead arming and pitting the Turkish minority against the native Cypriot people, using them as another weapon in their effort to keep parts of Cyprus under their colonial rule.

This British sponsored publication can try all it wants to convince the Cypriot people that the problem is Cypriot's fault, and that therefore we deserve to be punished with yet another unfair, undemocratic "solution" based on racist discrimination and forced segregation. Such articles might "convince" those foreigners who were hostile to Cyprus to begin with, but they will do nothing to anybody who knows the whole history of Cyprus, and who can immediately detect the cheap excuses that they are trying to make by pulling isolated events out of their historical context.

[Sotos]

Another good one:

Some facts that you might not be aware Mr Koumoullis and I hope that you will find the sample of historical facts, detailed below informative.

The retired Turkish Gen. Sabri Yirmibeşoğlu admitted that Turks burned mosques to increase animosity toward Greeks in Cyprus.

Both communities were victims of the extremists within their own communities as well as those of the other side. Many Greeks were forced to denounce their membership of AKEL and other organization that were striving for peaceful relations between the two communities.

I remember as a young trade unionist taking part in strikes and demonstrations against the innocent killings of Greek and TurkishCypriots by their own communities.

In 1958 in a show of unity and to express their will to live together Greek and Turkish Cypriots celebrated May Day together.In addition to the traditional banners some were also carrying Greek and Turkish flags. However, this could not be accepted by the Turkish extremists It was against their plans. They needed strife, discord and conflict rather than co-operation. That May Day night the Turkish progressive sport and educational association in Nicosia was set on fire and its members were accused of selling out to the Greeks.

The first attempted murder occurred on the 22 of May 1958 against the Turkish Cypriot trade union leader of PEO responsible for the Turkish section, Ahmet Sadin. The gunmen did not hesitate to shoot his wife leaving them both badly wounded. In order to save their lives they left Cyprus and settled in England where they continued to work for Turkish and Greek Cypriot friendship until their deaths.

Two days later on 24 May 1958, in a locality mostly inhabited by Turkish Cypriots in Nicosia, Fazil Ontour was murdered.

A few days later the Turkish terrorist organization TMT admitted to carrying out the murder of Fazil Ontour as well as the attempted murder of Ahmet Sadin and his wife. The fascist organization also warned Turkish Cypriot members of bi-communal associations and demanded to denounce their association publicly if they wanted to live.

Ahmet Giahgia a 26 year old member of the committee of the Turkish progressive sport and educational association which was burned out on
May Day was murdered on 29 May 1958, while he was a sleep.

On the 30 of June 1958, Turkish terrorists in Limassol killed Ahmet Imbrahim aged 46 because he was supporting peaceful co-existence between the two communities.

On the 4 July 1958 in the market place of Limassol another murder attempt took place against the 29 year old, Arif Halousi Parouti by Turkish terrorists. Previously he had received threatening letters to stop working for a Greek business and to end his good relations with Greeks.

On 25 March 1962 in Nicosia bombs exploded in two mosques placed by Turkish extremists and their names were going to be published in Turkish Cypriot Newspaper Coumhuriet’ The publishers of‘Coumhuriet’ were two lawyers, Aihan Mustafa Hikmet and Ahmet Mouzafer Gurkan. During the night of 23 April 1962 they were both murdered.

On 11 April 1965, Dervis Kavazoglou a Turkish Cypriot and Costas Mishaoulis a Greek Cypriot were murdered together in their car by Turkish Cypriot members of the terrorist organization (TMT).

Below are extracts from some of the speeches of the late Kavazoglou:

“They have managed to drive the young people of Cyprus, Greeks and Turks on the mountains to fight and kill each other. Only yesterday they were working together in the workshops, offices, and in the mines, they were ploughing the same earth to provide bread for their families”.

“They have created the myth and the lie that is impossible for the two communities to co-exist in peace. They drove 20 000 Turks out of their homes and put them in places which are not different from concentration camps. Thus establishing the base for a future partition” “a handful of fascists by using guns and fascists methods snatched the leadership of the Turkish community. They are the ones that cause the suffering of the Turkish Cypriots”.

Even if Turkey agreed to all Cypriot demands, Mr Koumoullis you ignore the main protagonists of the Cyprus tragedy, the USA and the British interests and how will they safeguard their interests after a solution. Would they agree to dismantle the so-called “British sovereign bases?

[Lordo]

the replies are full of bull like you are sotos. gcs wanted enosis and they should have said so then. of course then cyprus would have been divided into two. the good side was that it would have been done under british rule. instead of signing an agreement and 3 months later setting up the akritas plan to enosise roc with greece was the most cowardly act of your leadership and it is the same for you to this day. you say you want democracy but not as an independent state but as a part of greece. you can take your side of cyprus and greace and go to hell boy.

[Maximus]

The author of that opinion piece makes a lot of pardons to the colonialists, their TC collaborators and the invader. I mean how can you blame the local people for, in his words, giving the opportunity to the Turks to invade, seize, dishonour, pillage and vandalise, while one in three Greek Cypriots became refugees in their own country.

It seems that this whole opinion piece is about blaming the GC's for attracting invaders and imperialists of all sorts to wrong the gc's and Cyprus..

A lot of D heads read and comment on that paper. The CY mail is for d heads.

[Lordo]

so overthrowing an elected government and putting in place a know murderer as president is quite normal in your world then.

may i suggest when looking for d heads look in the mirror with a bit more attention you can see one in front of you. no need to look else where for them. you stupid boy

[Sotos]

the replies are full of bull like you are sotos. gcs wanted enosis and they should have said so then. of course then cyprus would have been divided into two. the good side was that it would have been done under british rule. instead of signing an agreement and 3 months later setting up the akritas plan to enosise roc with greece was the most cowardly act of your leadership and it is the same for you to this day. you say you want democracy but not as an independent state but as a part of greece. you can take your side of cyprus and greace and go to hell boy.

We wanted enosis and we said so then. You are foreign invaders and no part of Cyprus belongs to you. You can only keep part of Cyprus under illegal occupation which makes you criminals.