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[Mustiejodu]

I CANT TOLERATE SUCH EXTREME VIEWPOINT FROM ANYONE BE IT TC OR GC. MY BLOOD BOILS. ONE OF MY RELATIVES IS LIKE THIS AND I JUST WALK AWAY AND THINK OH WELL YOU WILL DIE ONE DAY AND THAT IDEOLOGY WILL GO WITH IT.

[repulsewarrior]

...i think the one of the most vivid memories i have of the Cyprus Problem, was sitting at Easter dinner with the brother of Grivas, around 1980. His head hung low, berated by his wife as a coward, his children having heard it before non-pulsed continued eating.

You see, the fighting as Cypriots tore us apart, it is not so simple, families were torn apart, here is a man who was an EOKA fighter, who stopped, who won his war with the Freedom of Cyprus, and then there were those who continued "their" fight.

[Lordo]

...i think the one of the most vivid memories i have of the Cyprus Problem, was sitting at Easter dinner with the brother of Grivas, around 1980. His head hung low, berated by his wife as a coward, his children having heard it before non-pulsed continued eating.

You see, the fighting as Cypriots tore us apart, it is not so simple, families were torn apart, here is a man who was an EOKA fighter, who stopped, who won his war with the Freedom of Cyprus, and then there were those who continued "their" fight.

rw i am surprised at your comments. you and i know very well that grivas never for moment fought for freedom of cypriot. he fought enosis with greece. come on man it is hardly the same thing.

[Nikitas]

The ideology will not go away because every day it is reinforced by strange and uncalled for TC actions. Like the giant flag in Pentadaktylos, the arbitraty change of place names, the statue of Kemal pointing his sword south, the grey wolves besieging TCs who hoisted the RoC flag.

Your side Musti is not a passive player in this game. It is the more active of the two. The GCs who wanted Enosis were defeated, and the reward for that was the simultaneous Enosis and Taksim in the north.

Some people see these things and their response is "if we had done it first we would not have this" and they point to the flag. And some others say "next time we know what must be done".

The way to stop the fanatics is to take away whatever makes them sound like they have a point. This is not happening, in fact the reverse is happening. The Turkish side refused GC fire brigade help in Famagusta yesterday, preferring to call on the British base for help. For most of us it was a clear message, for the fanatics it was a godsend.

[Lordo]

passive you say. since 1963 there has been embargoes on the tcs and their economy. and you mention tcs as not passive. presumably the gc are passive then are they. its ok to embargoes on the tcs. it is ok for gcs to put enosis on the mountains and greek flags for that matter.

you really are one very confused individual.

[repulsewarrior]

...i think the one of the most vivid memories i have of the Cyprus Problem, was sitting at Easter dinner with the brother of Grivas, around 1980. His head hung low, berated by his wife as a coward, his children having heard it before non-pulsed continued eating.

You see, the fighting as Cypriots tore us apart, it is not so simple, families were torn apart, here is a man who was an EOKA fighter, who stopped, who won his war with the Freedom of Cyprus, and then there were those who continued "their" fight.

rw i am surprised at your comments. you and i know very well that grivas never for moment fought for freedom of cypriot. he fought enosis with greece. come on man it is hardly the same thing.

i am not arguing that point Lordo, Grivas whatever he was fighting for, did not fight against the British alone.

The point i'm making is that his brother saw the world differently, as a Cypriot, and as a Cypriot, at his own dinner table he suffered this agony with Grace, while the brash patriots (his wife in particular) in his family wailed, on him, and on Easter day. Strange though, to blame a man like him for "their" travail because men like him would have nothing to do with EOKA B (or an organisation like the Grey Wolves for that matter), brother or not; these are the facts. Grivas may represent a kind of "Greek", but a Greek is not necessarily this "Greek" you talk about. And a Cypriot is a Cypriot, just saying.

[Nikitas]

Embargoes justify the flags and the place name changes? Is that how you hope to end them?

The message I get from that flag is not one of defiance despite the embargoes. What it tells me is that Turks are here. And it tends to reinforce the message of the fanatics, that we should have done it to them before they did it us. Nothing fuels fanatics more than that flag.

Nothing fuels resolve for long term resistance than the presence of settlers. If you want to know what long term means in Cypriot read the story of Lambousa.

[Lordo]

lambusa, now i know what lambron na do gapsi comes from. dont you worry you are doing a great job with embargoes handing the north to the terggs and they are grateful believe me.

[Lordo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=15&v=UPZ42c8yAgI

[Mustiejodu]

The ideology will not go away because every day it is reinforced by strange and uncalled for TC actions. Like the giant flag in Pentadaktylos, the arbitraty change of place names, the statue of Kemal pointing his sword south, the grey wolves besieging TCs who hoisted the RoC flag.

Your side Musti is not a passive player in this game. It is the more active of the two. The GCs who wanted Enosis were defeated, and the reward for that was the simultaneous Enosis and Taksim in the north.

Some people see these things and their response is "if we had done it first we would not have this" and they point to the flag. And some others say "next time we know what must be done".

The way to stop the fanatics is to take away whatever makes them sound like they have a point. This is not happening, in fact the reverse is happening. The Turkish side refused GC fire brigade help in Famagusta yesterday, preferring to call on the British base for help. For most of us it was a clear message, for the fanatics it was a godsend.

Nikita you are doing the same also. If I have not mentioned that TCs had no part to play then I am wrong not to. We all say things as human nature in favour of our own kind do we not ? That is the biggest hurdle that both communities will need to overcome and break that barrier . To accept each other's losses and to accept the realities of the past. The problem that needs to be addressed is the truth about the deaths of both GCS and TCs . They are not all documented and probably we will not be able to find out about all but I believe as a joint team of investigators they should work together to find out so that records are correctly documented and history is written more accurately because although we all have personal experiences which we talk about but these experiences are not documented. We know that some deaths were from their own be it TC or GC that they deemed as traitors. We also know that there was internal conflict between GCS and they killed each other, we know that the turkish army commited atrocities, we know that eoka masacred TC villages , we know that Tmt killed eoka men and probably a few innocent people including their own who they deemed as traitors. We know all this but it is not clearly documented and recognised. Every missing GC has been categorised as missing after 1974 which is bull shit. Nikita I accept that our people collectively done wrong to each other and I wish it all never happened . Will you accept this reality admit that we both done wrong to each other ?