Cyprus-Forum.com

[Lordo]

what this i hear about missing remains found that were not on the missing list. whats going on. who is hiding what and why.


<<<What about the dead Makarios supporters that were murdered by Eoka between 15-20 July 1974? How about owning up to that instead of pointing the finger to the Turkish Army? Only several weeks ago 16 were exhumed but never identified as being included in the missing list! Were they not missing to their families?>>>

any light on this matter. where were they found, why did it take so long to reveal where these people were buried.

[Mustiejodu]

what this i hear about missing remains found that were not on the missing list. whats going on. who is hiding what and why.


<<<What about the dead Makarios supporters that were murdered by Eoka between 15-20 July 1974? How about owning up to that instead of pointing the finger to the Turkish Army? Only several weeks ago 16 were exhumed but never identified as being included in the missing list! Were they not missing to their families?>>>

any light on this matter. where were they found, why did it take so long to reveal where these people were buried.

I was actually responding to a comment paphitis made that if Turkey did not invade there would be 5000 GCS alive and 1800000 not displaced. Now Lordo I am not good with the figures with deaths in cyprus as I have to be honest I am a new generation british born TC. You being from that generation would you have data but factual data on how many GC s killed each other ? Paphitis states 5000 killed by turkey . Is there any truth in this figure ? Or is this figure including who they killed themselves but are blaming the Turks ? Can anyone give me factual figures. I might have to do a investigation and get back to this as I am intrigued by this .


Why has no one responded to you ?

[Lordo]

i will come back with some figures. i would not believe a word they say. its all exaggerated to make themselves victims.

[Lordo]

1963–64 crisis resulted in the death of
364 Turkish Cypriots and 174 Greek Cypriots.
209 Turkish Cypriots and 41 Greeks were reported as missing.
Nearly 25,000 Turkish Cypriots, about one sixth of the Turkish Cypriot population at that time had been forced to leave their homes to live into enclaves.
More than 3000 Armenian ethnics who had been living in the areas of Nicosia that came under the control of Turkish paramilitaries were forced out of their homes
15 jul 1974 to 20th jul 1974
they claim only 74 gcs were killed. major dano killed more than that by himself. I suspect all the current missing approx. 1491 most were killed by their own people. Certainly some did go to Turkey and never returned but most did
20th of july onwards
EOKA-B committed a massacre in the village of tochni, where all men between the ages of 13 and 74 were found shot except one who managed to escape and tell the world about what happened (tochni massacre).
Other mass graves were exhumed in the villages of Aloa, Sandalaris and Maratha, containing 126 dead civilians, including women, old people and children (Maratha, Santalaris and Aloda massacre).
There is also evidence of the rape of Greek Cypriot women by Turkish soldiers
There is report two young boys were beheaded in these villages.
In 1976 and in 1983 Cyprus challenged Turkey at the European Court of Human Rights over a number of issues, including missing civilian Greek Cypriots, of which Cyprus claimed there were at least 1491. The ECHR concluded that there was a presumption that Turkey had a responsibility for clarifying the fate of civilians last known to be under its control, but also that there was "no proof that any of the missing persons were killed in circumstances for which Turkey could be held responsible; nor did the Commission find any evidence to the effect that any of the persons taken into custody were still being detained or kept in servitude by Turkey.
A further 1994 case brought by Cyprus, on which judgement was made in 2001, concluded that Turkey continued to offer insufficient support in clarifying the fate of missing Cypriots.
Another case is the book war crimes written by Andreas Parashos claiming at least 180 reported missings are fake and forged by Cyprus state,and 40 of them are already buried to the graves before 74, he also admitted killing 100 Turkish Cypriot civilians
A new case was brought in 2009, following comments by Turkish actor Atilla Olgac about committing war crimes during his service in Cyprus, although Olgac later retracted the remarks, saying he had been testing public reaction to a TV script.
I looked into rape reported to the un in 1974 and found under 200 cases. Considering there were 50,000 soldiers in Cyprus that is a very low figure.
They reckon 4500 gc were killed in 1974. As there is no way of proving how may were actually killed by their side, everything they say is bullshit not to be trusted.
There is aprox 5000 Turkish soldier killed in 1974.

[Nikitas]

There is no more reliable source than Ecevit on this. In interviews to Greek media he said clearly, more than once, in English, that if the Greeks had accepted the Turkish ultimatum in Geneva Turkey would not have had to proceed with Attila II and it would not have killed 4500 people. His figure, presumably based on Turkish army figures is 4500 people.

The coup had two days of severe fighting. In my family we had wounded from those two days. The tally for the dead GCs in the 15 July 20 July 1974 period is 92 dead.

Danos is a Greek army officer who oversaw the treatment of the wounded in Nicosia general hospital, and tried to force GC doctors not to treat Makarios supporters. The doctors told him to FO. He is not reported as executing anyone.

Trying to attribute 1700 missing, soldiers and civilians, members of a small community in which we know each other fairly well, and we know the circumstances of their arrest, to the seven days of the coup is disgusting.

You two need to grow up. Look up the Sunday Times Insight reports from late August and early September 1974, they are eye openers. They contain plenty of photos of dead GC civilians in areas there there had been no fighting, like most of Karpasia, obviously summarily executed by the advancing Turkish troops. That there had been not one single court martial for these acts tells a lot about "Nato's best" and the true character of the "peace operation".

[Lordo]

nikitas listen to the cacoyannis fil and what danos says to a soldier in kyrenia. you must be joking. he shot one personally and only a sargent near by managed his life just before execution.

watch this and learn about dano.

[Get Real!]

i will come back with some figures. i would not believe a word they say. its all exaggerated to make themselves victims.

Lordo and figures are incompatible.

[Nikitas]

Pyro,

The 500 Cacoyiannis mentions contradicts eye witness accounts, like those of Papa Tsestos in Nicosia cemetery.

Also, I could not locate any part in the film where Danos is mentioned or appears.

His actions are documented in several Greek documentaries on Cyprus, though no one ever sought him out to ask him about events, though presumably he was alive and free when these documentaries were made. But then no one interviewed National Guard chief Georgitsis either.

[Lordo]

now you are in la la land. of the people who killed gcs between the 15th to the 20th how many were questioned, triad and punished. surely sampson did not do all the killing by himself. they had dano and let him go. do you suppose he would have come to explain his actions. do you also suppose they gave him conditions before they let him go. sometimes you are childish beyond belief for an educated man.

[Nikitas]

I was not referring to a prosecution type of interrogation.

The Greek parliament interviewed witnesses in closed session when examining the Cyprus file. Officers were among those interviewed, but we do not know what they said.

Journalists who made documentaries interviewed officers, like Papapostolou, the man who had proposed a general pogrom against TCs, he is also the man who reputedly killed Georgatgis. They have interviewed general Alevromagiros who was put in charge of the Nicosia defence during Attila II, and many others. They interviewed Ecevit repeatedly. So it is natural to ask why were not Danos and Georgitsis sought out for this kind of interview. We do not even know if they were approached and refused, which is puzzling.

I can speculate about the media silence, but that does not replace facts.

Think before insulting people. Haven't you read the book "How to make friends and influence people" ?