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[Nikitas]

The problem for sure did not start in 1974. Agreed. My first experience of the "problem" was when we were refused entry to the old city of Famagusta in 1954. The second was when our neighborhood in Nicosia, Alexandrou street near Locmaci was attacked by a TC mob, while we were under curfew.

As for the long term policy of Turkey towards Cyprus I agree with GR on this. Turkey has a long term plan for Cyprus and every phase is a step towards that direction. Racism is at the root of this long term plan. Turkish leaders refer to GCs as "them", "south Cyprus" or at best "Rum Cypriots" rarely with the phrase Greek Cypriot, using the word Yunan. Implicit in this phraseology is a degradation of status. Anyone who studied law will know the meaning of status as a concept.

Withdrawal of recognition is part of this racist policy, as is the insistence of multilateral talks. They do not want to deal with GCs on any level that might even hint at equality, and defiitely not on a one to one basis.

[umit07]

The CyProb started in 1571 when the first wave of the Anatolian invasion begun that took the lives of 20,000 of our forefathers in Nicosia alone. The Ottoman/Turkish invasions against us have never stopped since.

So when are you publishing your version of "Mein Kampf"? I'd be interested to read about your "final solution".

The most important thing for the native Cypriots to remember (or “GC”s if you prefer) is to keep the TC community from ever attaining any power in Cyprus.

Well, I guess you were unsuccessful at that.

This is the most crucial issue of the CyProb, and Lordo is a constant reminder of their evil intentions to wipe out the native Cypriots and turn Cyprus into a minaret-infested mini Turkey.

I’m sure you’ve often heard him brag about the thousands of Anatolians they would encourage to bring over upon an “agreed solution” where they would attain power and thus start playing games 24/7.

Lordo has never said such a thing, you are misrepresenting what he is saying. He has said a number of times that the lack of a "solution" will result in the eventual colonisation of the north by Turks, multiplying in numbers (beyond the GC population). He has said numerous times that delaying a settlement will eventually lead to the complete Turkification of the north, by which time "you will be begging for partition".

To note, I don't agree with him, the economy in the north cannot sustain a population of 700-800k. But we are seeing a gradual shift towards the reduction of TC's to a point where we will be a "minority".

The TC dream has always been to outnumber us so as to outpower us and redefine Cyprus into their version of Ottomano-Cypro bastardised whatever.

This is complete bullshit, the TC government are doing nothing to curb the migration or repatriation of TC's.

An 10,000+ year nation of our Cypriot forefathers will have been wiped out forever to a bunch illiterate Anatolians who outsmarted us out of our own country and into obscurity!

You give yourself too much credit, if the otto boys wanted to wipe you out, they had ample time, over three centuries.

The TC community must always be treated on an individual basis and never allowed any leverage as a political force.

Another lost cause, who is Nick negotiating with atm? Your attempts to resolve the Cyprus issue via Turkey have always been shot down. We have leveraged "political force" since the inception of your Republic

[Nikitas]

"Your attempts to resolve the Cyprus issue via Turkey have always been shot down. "

Which kind of proves the point that the attitude of Turkey towards the GCs is a racist one, refusing to accept them as equal, not even to the extent of talking to them to impose terms.

And we are expected to accept this nation keeping a permanent force on Cyprus! And abolish our armed forces too!

The Ottomans did not wipe out local populations because they were the tax producing beasts of burden. It is no accident that the most coveted posts in the Ottoman Empire were those of tax collectors.

[Lordo]

You put too much credit on Lordo who himself coming from Lurucina is not even a real TC. Just some spastic mixture of ex Venetians or something. That's why he speaks so hard. Those guys are tough as nails.

Well, spastic something anyway!

spastic your ass old fool. what level education are you i bet you aint even got an ilk okul diploma. stupid idiot.

[Jerry]

I give merit to your fears about Turkey using guarantees to further their interests, why not impose safeguards in that order? In regards to us not being in the (50's , 60's or 70's ), I'd like to point out that I was not even alive during those periods, it makes little difference IMO. People do terrible things in the name of nationalism or religion. TC's want to safeguard that the "solution" will not be unilaterally modified by GC's, i.e; another 13 amendments debacle.

The 13 amendments were proposed because the constitution that was forced on Cyprus didn't work. Presumably a constitution that is mutually agreed will work (if it ever happens). The problem in the past was that the minority wanted, and with mainland support got,disproportionate power. The so-called safeguards had the exact opposite effect to that intended, it was seen as a return to Ottoman dominance and the Greek Cypriots weren't having any of it, they saw union with Greece as a way of keeping Turkey out. I get the impression from some TC posters on CF that they still want more of Cyprus than their numbers deserve and they feel the GCs should be punished in perpetuity for victimising the minority. They completely ignore the fact that Turkey has wanted the island returned against the will of the majority of the island's inhabitants and conspired with the likes of Denktash to achieve that aim.

Within the EU I find it inconceivable that one side would unilaterally attempt to change the constitution especially if the EU is given a formal role in the affairs of a new State.

[Lordo]

are you stupid enough to believe that old lie charluimu. i thought it was accepted by all that the 13 ammendments were required to cause a riot so it can be suppressed so tcs will would be broken and enosis can be achieved. gavole ma isasdin delya voski.

[Jerry]

are you stupid enough to believe that old lie charluimu. i thought it was accepted by all that the 13 ammendments were required to cause a riot so it can be suppressed so tcs will would be broken and enosis can be achieved. gavole ma isasdin delya voski.

Brain dead fools like you may have accepted it, enlightened people do not.

[Lordo]

more bullshit. if magarios did not try to bring in unified local authorities via tax changes the tcs would never have voted against the taxes either.

democracy has limitations when the population is so backward and immature like gcs who had only one thing in mind. destroy the republic and join it with greace. how stupid are you ffs. you think you are talking to retarded shitface ffs. dish it out at him he will swallow all that crap like there is no tomorrow.

[Maximus]

CYPRUS. We are Cypriots. That is what we have in common with you.

Is that it?

In what way are you Cypriots?

[I have no intention of attacking or killing anyone. I am more concerned and troubled about the possibility of being attacked by your community or Turkey for ignoring / paying no mind to your communities undemocratic ways and demands for shares and a veto. Its your community that uses force to gets its way and plunder to Turkify Cyprus]

Do you not think we are Cypriots? We've been here for 444 years and you still want to deny me my right to call myself Cypriot. We have much more in common that just sharing Cyprus. We look alike, we think alike, we are (majority) decent, honest, caring, generous people and we want to live in harmony on this beautiful island. We want a peaceful settlement as much as you do, I can assure you.

Harmony in my opinion is democracy, rule of law, freedom of expression and assembly.
abolish of guarantors
respect of peoples property
no divisive constitution or zones.
no shares or vetos for communities.
Turkish troops and settlers out of Cyprus.
Cyprus an EU member state

If we think alike then this is what your community (majority) should be thinking. Is it?

Contrary to common belief the vast majority of TC's do indeed share these values. Your cousins TC husband wouldn't by any chance be a dry cleaner named Kem (Kemal) in Palmers Green would it?

I doubt it and that's why a solution has been so elusive.

[Maximus]

I give merit to your fears about Turkey using guarantees to further their interests, why not impose safeguards in that order? In regards to us not being in the (50's , 60's or 70's ), I'd like to point out that I was not even alive during those periods, it makes little difference IMO. People do terrible things in the name of nationalism or religion. TC's want to safeguard that the "solution" will not be unilaterally modified by GC's, i.e; another 13 amendments debacle.

here are those 13 amendments that made the TC's withdraw from government and do terrible things in Cyprus.


1. The right of veto of the President and the Vice-President of the Republic to be abolished.
2. The Vice-President of the Republic to deputise for or replace the President of the Republic in case of his temporary absence or incapacity to perform his duties. In consequence, therefore, all the constitutional provisions in respect of joint action by the President and the Vice-President of the Republic to be modified accordingly.
3. The Greek President of the House of Representatives and its Turkish Vice-President to be elected by the House as a whole and not as at present the President by the Greek Members of the House and the Vice-President by the Turkish Members of the House.
4. The Vice-President of the House of Representatives to deputise for or replace the President of the House in case of his temporary absence or incapacity to perform his duties.
5. The constitutional provisions regarding separate majority for enactment of Laws by the House of Representatives to be abolished.
6. The constitutional provision regarding the establishment of separate Municipalities in the five main towns to be abolished. Provision should be made so that: (a) The Municipal Council in each of the aforesaid five towns shall consist of Greek and Turkish Councillors in proportion to the number of the Greek and Turkish inhabitants of such town by whom they shall be elected respectively. (b) In the Budget of each of such aforesaid towns, after deducting any expenditure required for common services, a percentage of the balance proportionate to the number of the Turkish inhabitants of such town shall be earmarked and disposed of in accordance with the wishes of the Turkish Councillors.
7. The constitutional provision regarding Courts consisting of Greek Judges to try Greeks and of Turkish Judges to try Turks and of mixed Courts consisting of Greek and Turkish Judges to try cases where the litigants are Greeks and Turks to be abolished.
8. The division of the Security Forces into Police and Gendarmerie to be abolished, (Provision to be made in case the Head of the Police is a Greek the Deputy Head to be a Turk and vice versa).
9. The numerical strength of the Security Forces and of the Army to be determined by Law and not by agreement between the President and the Vice-President of the Republic.
10. The proportion of the participation of Greek and Turkish Cypriots in the composition of the Public Service and of the Forces of the Republic, i.e. the Police and the Army, to be modified in proportion to the ratio of the population of Greek and Turkish Cypriots.
11. The number of the members of the Public Service Commission to be reduced from ten to either five or seven.
12. All the decisions of the Public Service Commission to be taken by simple majority. If there is an allegation of discrimination on the unanimous request either of the Greek or of the Turkish members of the Commission, its Chairman to be bound to refer the matter to the Supreme Constitutional Court.
13. The Greek Communal Chamber to be abolished.

Tell me, do these justify a civil war, invasion, ethnic cleansing and the theft of a third of Cyprus?

What I see prior to the suggestions made here in these 13 points to amend the constitution is a TC stuck up a GC's ass with a veto within every institution. And a disproportionate favouratism towards TC's. Imagine, you have a GC stuck up your ass vetoing anything he or Greece doesn't like. I can imagine back then, as it would be today, that everything would be vetoed by one side or the other creating deadlock and an inability to make a decision on anything. Pure madness.

I agree with GR.