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[Maximus]

I will take 50 to 1 that the TC's will be eliminated first, then the problem will be resolved.

It might take another 50 years but I think this is more likely than anything else.

That is so stupid that I wouldn't even take your bet. Assuming what you say is a possible scenario wouldn't the TC's demand for Turkey's guarantee be crucial then?

I think you may find that the TCs will be eliminated as a result of Turkey's guarantees. Remember their primary objective was to secure a presence on the island, it was not to "save" the Turkish Cypriots. We know that many of you are not happy with the huge influx of mainlanders and its associated Turkification. So here's a scenario; the Turkish Cypriots want to be their own masters (As Ankinci has already said) but Turkey won't loosen its grip and uses the settlers to foment unrest leading to violence and ultimately armed conflict. It's obvious who would come out on top, where would the vanquished TCs go. Turkey has used you for its own ends, your own security force is impotent, ask yourself why the Turkish Cypriot defence force is so small, ask yourself why the local police are under the direct control of the military?

Whatever the outcome of the current talks you will be swallowed up by Turkey or leave Cyprus for good. You may want to keep most of the conquered territory, I bet Turkey will settle for less in an attempt to keep the guarantees.

We have in a sense already been eliminated. The TC's have more or less lost their unique identity and are becoming like mainland Turks. The sooner there is a settlement the better for both sides. I believe there'll be 50K mainlander allowed to stay, I personally would like to see them all go, they have nothing to offer us and they have nothing in common with us. Vast majority of settlers are ignorant, dirty and dishonest, we don't need such people on our island.

And you wouldn't take my bet?

Alright, so what do you have in common with the GC's?

[MR-from-NG]

I will take 50 to 1 that the TC's will be eliminated first, then the problem will be resolved.

It might take another 50 years but I think this is more likely than anything else.

That is so stupid that I wouldn't even take your bet. Assuming what you say is a possible scenario wouldn't the TC's demand for Turkey's guarantee be crucial then?

I think you may find that the TCs will be eliminated as a result of Turkey's guarantees. Remember their primary objective was to secure a presence on the island, it was not to "save" the Turkish Cypriots. We know that many of you are not happy with the huge influx of mainlanders and its associated Turkification. So here's a scenario; the Turkish Cypriots want to be their own masters (As Ankinci has already said) but Turkey won't loosen its grip and uses the settlers to foment unrest leading to violence and ultimately armed conflict. It's obvious who would come out on top, where would the vanquished TCs go. Turkey has used you for its own ends, your own security force is impotent, ask yourself why the Turkish Cypriot defence force is so small, ask yourself why the local police are under the direct control of the military?

Whatever the outcome of the current talks you will be swallowed up by Turkey or leave Cyprus for good. You may want to keep most of the conquered territory, I bet Turkey will settle for less in an attempt to keep the guarantees.

We have in a sense already been eliminated. The TC's have more or less lost their unique identity and are becoming like mainland Turks. The sooner there is a settlement the better for both sides. I believe there'll be 50K mainlander allowed to stay, I personally would like to see them all go, they have nothing to offer us and they have nothing in common with us. Vast majority of settlers are ignorant, dirty and dishonest, we don't need such people on our island.

And you wouldn't take my bet?

Alright, so what do you have in common with the GC's?

CYPRUS. We are Cypriots. That is what we have in common with you. As for my use of the word elimination, we have been eliminated in the sense that we are outnumbered by Turks. Your elimination however is to attack and kill us all.

[Maximus]

CYPRUS. We are Cypriots. That is what we have in common with you.

Is that it?

In what way are you Cypriots?

[I have no intention of attacking or killing anyone. I am more concerned and troubled about the possibility of being attacked by your community or Turkey for ignoring / paying no mind to your communities undemocratic ways and demands for shares and a veto. Its your community that uses force to gets its way and plunder to Turkify Cyprus]

[MR-from-NG]

CYPRUS. We are Cypriots. That is what we have in common with you.

Is that it?

In what way are you Cypriots?

[I have no intention of attacking or killing anyone. I am more concerned and troubled about the possibility of being attacked by your community or Turkey for ignoring / paying no mind to your communities undemocratic ways and demands for shares and a veto. Its your community that uses force to gets its way and plunder to Turkify Cyprus]

Do you not think we are Cypriots? We've been here for 444 years and you still want to deny me my right to call myself Cypriot. We have much more in common that just sharing Cyprus. We look alike, we think alike, we are (majority) decent, honest, caring, generous people and we want to live in harmony on this beautiful island. We want a peaceful settlement as much as you do, I can assure you.

[Maximus]

CYPRUS. We are Cypriots. That is what we have in common with you.

Is that it?

In what way are you Cypriots?

[I have no intention of attacking or killing anyone. I am more concerned and troubled about the possibility of being attacked by your community or Turkey for ignoring / paying no mind to your communities undemocratic ways and demands for shares and a veto. Its your community that uses force to gets its way and plunder to Turkify Cyprus]

Do you not think we are Cypriots? We've been here for 444 years and you still want to deny me my right to call myself Cypriot. We have much more in common that just sharing Cyprus. We look alike, we think alike, we are (majority) decent, honest, caring, generous people and we want to live in harmony on this beautiful island. We want a peaceful settlement as much as you do, I can assure you.

Harmony in my opinion is democracy, rule of law, freedom of expression and assembly.
abolish of guarantors
respect of peoples property
no divisive constitution or zones.
no shares or vetos for communities.
Turkish troops and settlers out of Cyprus.
Cyprus an EU member state

If we think alike then this is what your community (majority) should be thinking. Is it?

[B25]

Maxi, you should be so lucky to expect all that from the TCs.

Sure they want peace who doesn't ,but they also want it at our expense, whatever crap they spout.

[Pyrpolizer]

CYPRUS. We are Cypriots. That is what we have in common with you.

Is that it?

In what way are you Cypriots?

[I have no intention of attacking or killing anyone. I am more concerned and troubled about the possibility of being attacked by your community or Turkey for ignoring / paying no mind to your communities undemocratic ways and demands for shares and a veto. Its your community that uses force to gets its way and plunder to Turkify Cyprus]

Maximus have you met ANY TC my friend?
I bet you didn't.
I did. and then I uttered but, but... but..... are these the people they hated in the 60s?
When you meet TCs you will encounter values and ethics and friendship and honesty that will remind you your grandpa and grandma. Things that we ourselves have lost. Oi parapano en psychoulles reh. (most of them are kind souls reh)

[Maximus]

CYPRUS. We are Cypriots. That is what we have in common with you.

Is that it?

In what way are you Cypriots?

[I have no intention of attacking or killing anyone. I am more concerned and troubled about the possibility of being attacked by your community or Turkey for ignoring / paying no mind to your communities undemocratic ways and demands for shares and a veto. Its your community that uses force to gets its way and plunder to Turkify Cyprus]

Maximus have you met ANY TC my friend?
I bet you didn't.
I did. and then I uttered but, but... but..... are these the people they hated in the 60s?
When you meet TCs you will encounter values and ethics and friendship and honesty that will remind you your grandpa and grandma. Things that we ourselves have lost. Oi parapano en psychoulles reh. (most of them are kind souls reh)

Pyrp,

I have a TC in my family, married to my cousin. We get on great but we do not talk politics.

Most Tc's I have met are good people. Just dont talk politics, or until you have an argument over something and they let everything out. There are exceptions. I had a good female friend who was TC. we shared a moment.

I remember a long time ago, we lived next door to a TC family in the UK for years. Father TC, mother from Turkey. They had sons, we used to play footie together, always round each others houses. eating, watching movies, playing video games, cracking jokes. We were like brothers. For years. When solomou tried to take down the Turkish flag and got shot in the neck, obviously it was all over the Turkish and Greek news. The TC father came out in to his garden and met my dad, who was also outside in our garden and they had an argument. He said something which was inappropriate and things were not the same between them again. Obviously, he was defending the Turks.

[Maximus]

Maxi, you should be so lucky to expect all that from the TCs.

Sure they want peace who doesn't ,but they also want it at our expense, whatever crap they spout.

This.

[Jerry]

I will take 50 to 1 that the TC's will be eliminated first, then the problem will be resolved.

It might take another 50 years but I think this is more likely than anything else.

That is so stupid that I wouldn't even take your bet. Assuming what you say is a possible scenario wouldn't the TC's demand for Turkey's guarantee be crucial then?

I think you may find that the TCs will be eliminated as a result of Turkey's guarantees. Remember their primary objective was to secure a presence on the island, it was not to "save" the Turkish Cypriots. We know that many of you are not happy with the huge influx of mainlanders and its associated Turkification. So here's a scenario; the Turkish Cypriots want to be their own masters (As Ankinci has already said) but Turkey won't loosen its grip and uses the settlers to foment unrest leading to violence and ultimately armed conflict. It's obvious who would come out on top, where would the vanquished TCs go. Turkey has used you for its own ends, your own security force is impotent, ask yourself why the Turkish Cypriot defence force is so small, ask yourself why the local police are under the direct control of the military?

Whatever the outcome of the current talks you will be swallowed up by Turkey or leave Cyprus for good. You may want to keep most of the conquered territory, I bet Turkey will settle for less in an attempt to keep the guarantees.

On the other side of the coin we have a "Republic" with the national anthem of a foreign country, whose top military commander is from Greece. Remind you of another "Republic" not so far away? The average TC sees guarantees as a deterrent to the GC's trying to unilaterally overturn any new settlement, I'm sorry to say this in such a crude manner but most TC's feel that the mere threat of force from Turkey would be enough to keep GC's inline with any agreed solution. Does this mean that TC's will support any Turkish aggression against a unified Cyprus? No. The GC side has yet to provide any reasonable remedy to alleviate such concerns.

But Turkey wants the guarantees to further its own ends not to protect you, I wouldn't put it past Erdogan to instigate trouble and make a move. This is not the 1950s or 60s, do you seriously believe that, within the EU, the Greek Cypriot government would attack the Turkish Cypriots. Ankinci would be well advised to demand EU and UN guarantees with teeth rather than Turkey's self serving guarantees. Turkey has abused its position, it's in nobody's interest that it remains a guarantor.