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[Lordo]

so what exactly were the dutch doing there and were they not european. and there you are suggesting that eu can guarantee the tcs. its your ears are not hearing what you are saying. you have apple pie in your mind trying to put oranges in it.

when it comes to tasos trapping turkey. of course you are right and and he also trapped another 200,000 settlers with terggy. and the settlers of course are grateful i can assure you. you talk about 74 but you forget it was greace who arranged a coup and began killing gcs first. and i suppose once they finished with the gcs who opposed them they were about to invite the tcs to a tea party in a gas chamber. you have one hell chip on your shoulder old man and it is blocking your vision somewhat.
when it comes to the plan of 2004 not only terggy but greace the eu the un and usa agreed with it. it is the gcs who have lost most and will lose more in the next plan and if they say no again that will be the end of the talks for unification. the current situation will continue till un finally realises that it was a mistake to allow the gcs to take full control of roc.

For your information, the dutch were in Srebrenica under UN and not under EU.

As for the rest, I can't make you see how bad the AP was. Perhaps you would have had personal gains to make had it gone through, or else, why would you defend such a bad plan as the AP in 2004?

i dont give a shit who sent them there, they were dutch soldiers and that is as good a soldier as the eu will produce. as to how bad the annan plan was part of the karpaz region was offered to your pall tasos and he refused so it so fools like you would believe him when he opposed it. and sure as hell fools did believe him. and they can vote no a second time too for all i care. it aint easy to see the wood from the trees when asshole like you have got the fog machine handy.

according to you annan plan was a division. according the fanatics in the north it was capitulation and reducing the tcs to a minority because after 20 years it would a free for all. just like the eoka-b in 74 who did not listen to makarios's economic method of ethnically cleansing the tcs, assholes like you want a free for all then too. well guess what you will not have free for all from day one, not after the tc economy has been under embargoes since 1963. it will take just as many rears without embargoes to get there as with. and i would like to shake the hand of the patriot gc who will gather his gang and move north with the view of taking it over. do you reckon gr and his commandos will grow some balls by then.

[Pyrpolizer]

so what exactly were the dutch doing there and were they not european. and there you are suggesting that eu can guarantee the tcs. its your ears are not hearing what you are saying. you have apple pie in your mind trying to put oranges in it.

when it comes to tasos trapping turkey. of course you are right and and he also trapped another 200,000 settlers with terggy. and the settlers of course are grateful i can assure you. you talk about 74 but you forget it was greace who arranged a coup and began killing gcs first. and i suppose once they finished with the gcs who opposed them they were about to invite the tcs to a tea party in a gas chamber. you have one hell chip on your shoulder old man and it is blocking your vision somewhat.
when it comes to the plan of 2004 not only terggy but greace the eu the un and usa agreed with it. it is the gcs who have lost most and will lose more in the next plan and if they say no again that will be the end of the talks for unification. the current situation will continue till un finally realises that it was a mistake to allow the gcs to take full control of roc.

For your information, the dutch were in Srebrenica under UN and not under EU.

As for the rest, I can't make you see how bad the AP was. Perhaps you would have had personal gains to make had it gone through, or else, why would you defend such a bad plan as the AP in 2004?

Lordo doesn't know that according to Anan Plan all his properties at Softalar would be given to the property committee except from one house (if it's still there and if not used and if and if and if..) plus 1 donum out of 3 (maximum what, 4 was it?).
For the rest Lordo would be compensated after long long years, and be happy if eventually he ever got enough money to buy himself a bicycle

Lordo simply doesn't know that the way the Gcs would lose their properties in the occupied with the Annan Plan, would be exactly the same the TCs who have properties in the free areas would lose their own.

[Lordo]

dont you worry i will donate all the compensation back to the roc.

[Nikitas]

"The ball for Cyprus peace really is in the TCs corner." And like the elephant in the room that is wilfully ignored they are the ones who have the major say on the two vital issues: properties and territory, which they are keeping quiet. Then come the EU aquis and formally recognised human rights accords like the UN charter and the European Convention on Human Rights (wider than the EU) on which there is no news either.

And as always the negotiators are spending most of the time on the issues of "governance" which the person in the street does not understand, avoiding coming up with an acceptable territorial map and a realistic plan for properties. Reminds me of that line in the Sopranos, one gangster to another "sometimes you act like you are in a different business", in our case as if you don't realise how much Cypriots value their land.

[Lordo]

you are so impatient. the meeting is tomorrow. lets see what they have to say afterwards.

[Mustiejodu]

Our government want to remove it because criminals from other countries that we want to get rid of are abusing the Human rights act that they have a right to live with their family . It's a Lisa of bull shit. These are criminals that take other people's human rights not to be murdered or raped etc etc and they want equal treatment in return. I say anyone that infringes on anirptger persons human rights automatically forfeits their human rights.

not in my name musti.
if you have somebody who has been shown in a court of law beyond any reasonable doubt that they are indeed terrorists and aere intending to harm our country, i would say after a fair trial if found guilty then do as you wish. but this is not what is happening. they pick up somebody on the say so of another and put him into belmarsh and label him as a terrorist. from that point onward
1. they are not allowed to see what they are being held for.
2. they are not allowed to attend any court for their trial
3. they have a choice of release but they have to normally be released to a country that would torture them.
4. some are not even taken to court because there is no evidence.


these people are not terrorists until their guilt is proven. if our civilisation as as described, there is no civilisation.

take the case of abu qatada, he was held for years and never charged. then he was sent to jordan tried and found not guilty. so why was he held for those years if there no evidence. our civilisation is what makes us, they way you are thinking is no different than the terrorists you dislike.

It does because like some of these terrorists the rights will get abused by the wrong type of people hell bent on harming
Lordo, if and when the above happens, then I agree with you, that there is no justification for it happening. This is not how countries in the west should behave, but I don't know how all this relates to Cyprus and me asking for one of the protections for all Cypriots is to have Human Right alongside with ALL the other rights.

Your living in a dream world . You are so naive. The fact that we have become so impotent with our laws and governed by EU laws that pedophiles get sentenced for 7 years and they fuck little children's lives forever. Do you call this civilised ? Look and learn how the west has made its future children grow up with no respect for teachers due to over the top rights that they give children . People have so much rights that now they can take lives, rape kids, rape women, take a human life and be out in max 20 years. This is not civilisation but the Devils work. And now you want to give human rights to terrorists because you believe in civilisation . This is just a word that sounds great in your own ears. There has to be a balance and at the moment it has tilted to the advantage of evil people that are taking advantage of our civilisation . To protect our civilisation we have to take drastic measures .

[Mustiejodu]

so what exactly were the dutch doing there and were they not european. and there you are suggesting that eu can guarantee the tcs. its your ears are not hearing what you are saying. you have apple pie in your mind trying to put oranges in it.

when it comes to tasos trapping turkey. of course you are right and and he also trapped another 200,000 settlers with terggy. and the settlers of course are grateful i can assure you. you talk about 74 but you forget it was greace who arranged a coup and began killing gcs first. and i suppose once they finished with the gcs who opposed them they were about to invite the tcs to a tea party in a gas chamber. you have one hell chip on your shoulder old man and it is blocking your vision somewhat.
when it comes to the plan of 2004 not only terggy but greace the eu the un and usa agreed with it. it is the gcs who have lost most and will lose more in the next plan and if they say no again that will be the end of the talks for unification. the current situation will continue till un finally realises that it was a mistake to allow the gcs to take full control of roc.

For your information, the dutch were in Srebrenica under UN and not under EU.

As for the rest, I can't make you see how bad the AP was. Perhaps you would have had personal gains to make had it gone through, or else, why would you defend such a bad plan as the AP in 2004?

Lordo doesn't know that according to Anan Plan all his properties at Softalar would be given to the property committee except from one house (if it's still there and if not used and if and if and if..) plus 1 donum out of 3 (maximum what, 4 was it?).
For the rest Lordo would be compensated after long long years, and be happy if eventually he ever got enough money to buy himself a bicycle

Lordo simply doesn't know that the way the Gcs would lose their properties in the occupied with the Annan Plan, would be exactly the same the TCs who have properties in the free areas would lose their own.

Here is a fact that you can't dispute as I can prove it to you . The total percentage of the population of the greek Cypriot community that was displaced was 23% . The total displaced turkish Cypriots was also 23 % . There you go everyone so displaced persons as percentage of their respective population was equal. Let me make it very simple if 20 TC s out of a total of 100 TC s were displaced that would be 20% . If 40 GCS out of total 200 GCS were displaced the answer is 20 % again . And to think your ancestors created maths and you can't make a simple calculation. Only joking here so don't get wound up. If you want fact and figures just look up the population during 1974 of each community and look up the figures that were published by the cyprus government of GCS displaced agreed by un, the Cyprus government did not do one for the TCs but there was one done by un on 1st of November 1974 . I got the percentage by calculating the total displaced by the total population and both came out as 23% .

[repulsewarrior]

...so what you are implying is that "Greeks" and "Turks" "mixed" pretty well before they were ripped apart, as Cypriots.

[Lordo]

...so what you are implying is that "Greeks" and "Turks" "mixed" pretty well before they were ripped apart, as Cypriots.

problem started in 1955. when eoka started killing innocent civilians tc police as well as the brits.

[Kikapu]

Lordo, if and when the above happens, then I agree with you, that there is no justification for it happening. This is not how countries in the west should behave, but I don't know how all this relates to Cyprus and me asking for one of the protections for all Cypriots is to have Human Right alongside with ALL the other rights.

Your living in a dream world . You are so naive. The fact that we have become so impotent with our laws and governed by EU laws that pedophiles get sentenced for 7 years and they fuck little children's lives forever. Do you call this civilised ? Look and learn how the west has made its future children grow up with no respect for teachers due to over the top rights that they give children . People have so much rights that now they can take lives, rape kids, rape women, take a human life and be out in max 20 years. This is not civilisation but the Devils work. And now you want to give human rights to terrorists because you believe in civilisation . This is just a word that sounds great in your own ears. There has to be a balance and at the moment it has tilted to the advantage of evil people that are taking advantage of our civilisation . To protect our civilisation we have to take drastic measures .

There is a difference between some western societies and courts not punishing criminals in a way that they should where the punishment fits the crime from not charging someone with a crime at all and then lock them up for years and throw away the key. Lordo was talking about the latter, which I agree with him.

Everyone deserves their day in court or a tribunal hearing where not all the information is made public to protect secret information and security details. As rare as these cases are where certain alleged terrorists are locked away without trials or are sent to a third country to extract information through torture, then our system of justice becomes no different than those accused of causing harm to us by them using their form of "justice" against us. In the west we do not live under "eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth" form of justice, because too many innocent people have been sent to the gallows by mistake or even deliberately in the past and even some today. Justice and revenge are two different things when it comes to the accused or suspects in the western societies, which should separate us from the rest, that’s all.