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[Lordo]

Our security which should be a joint security. It's main function is to protect all peace loving cypriots from the extremists that are within our communities. SOME OF WHO ARE AMONGST THIS FORUM.

I have said this many times already, so hear goes one more time. The best security the TCs can have in EU Cyprus is, True Democracy, Human Rights, Rule of Law, EU Principles, Equal Cypriot Citizenship and International Law. Unless the TCs accept and embrace the above principles, they can never feel safe, because, if the TCs want to take away others rights so that they can have more, soon or later, 1963 will happen all over again. The ball for Cyprus peace really is in the TCs corner.

can you explain to us how uk government can announce they will remove the eu law on human rights from the statute book and yet not one person says hang on a minute mate you cant do that it is not allowed the eu guaranties our human rights. how is that possible.

[Kikapu]

Our security which should be a joint security. It's main function is to protect all peace loving cypriots from the extremists that are within our communities. SOME OF WHO ARE AMONGST THIS FORUM.

I have said this many times already, so hear goes one more time. The best security the TCs can have in EU Cyprus is, True Democracy, Human Rights, Rule of Law, EU Principles, Equal Cypriot Citizenship and International Law. Unless the TCs accept and embrace the above principles, they can never feel safe, because, if the TCs want to take away others rights so that they can have more, soon or later, 1963 will happen all over again. The ball for Cyprus peace really is in the TCs corner.

can you explain to us how uk government can announce they will remove the eu law on human rights from the statute book and yet not one person says hang on a minute mate you cant do that it is not allowed the eu guaranties our human rights. how is that possible.

Give me details what that means exactly rather than just a vague sound bite.

Does that me there won't be any Human Rights in the EU any longer?

[Lordo]

Our security which should be a joint security. It's main function is to protect all peace loving cypriots from the extremists that are within our communities. SOME OF WHO ARE AMONGST THIS FORUM.

I have said this many times already, so hear goes one more time. The best security the TCs can have in EU Cyprus is, True Democracy, Human Rights, Rule of Law, EU Principles, Equal Cypriot Citizenship and International Law. Unless the TCs accept and embrace the above principles, they can never feel safe, because, if the TCs want to take away others rights so that they can have more, soon or later, 1963 will happen all over again. The ball for Cyprus peace really is in the TCs corner.

can you explain to us how uk government can announce they will remove the eu law on human rights from the statute book and yet not one person says hang on a minute mate you cant do that it is not allowed the eu guaranties our human rights. how is that possible.

Give me details what that means exactly rather than just a vague sound bite.

Does that me there won't be any Human Rights in the EU any longer?

they are going to remove it, it aint a sound bite. it is a fact. they say they will do a bill of rights. is it the same and if it is why change it. eu human rights aint worth jack shit if a member state can just decide not to apply it. it aint worth the paper it is written on.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/10/conservatives-to-push-forward-on-manifesto-and-scrap-human-rights-act

[Kikapu]

Our security which should be a joint security. It's main function is to protect all peace loving cypriots from the extremists that are within our communities. SOME OF WHO ARE AMONGST THIS FORUM.

I have said this many times already, so hear goes one more time. The best security the TCs can have in EU Cyprus is, True Democracy, Human Rights, Rule of Law, EU Principles, Equal Cypriot Citizenship and International Law. Unless the TCs accept and embrace the above principles, they can never feel safe, because, if the TCs want to take away others rights so that they can have more, soon or later, 1963 will happen all over again. The ball for Cyprus peace really is in the TCs corner.

can you explain to us how uk government can announce they will remove the eu law on human rights from the statute book and yet not one person says hang on a minute mate you cant do that it is not allowed the eu guaranties our human rights. how is that possible.

Give me details what that means exactly rather than just a vague sound bite.

Does that me there won't be any Human Rights in the EU any longer?

they are going to remove it, it aint a sound bite. it is a fact. they say they will do a bill of rights. is it the same and if it is why change it. eu human rights aint worth jack shit if a member state can just decide not to apply it. it aint worth the paper it is written on.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/10/conservatives-to-push-forward-on-manifesto-and-scrap-human-rights-act

So you are talking about this.

Human Rights comes in many ways, you know.

Well, this does not mean there won't be Human Right any longer in the UK in the event this goes through, does it? UK just wants to have some control on too many immigrants coming to the UK from the EU. It does not mean "waterboarding" will be used by the police on suspects to make them talk.

I mean, look how the ECHR fukced up by sending 1500 GCs after waiting for years and years to the IPC in the north run by invading Turkey to settle their claims rather than hear their individual cases and rule. ECHR doesn't always gets it right for sure.

Conservatives plan to scrap Human Rights Act

Chris Grayling's eight-page strategy paper 'Protecting human rights in the UK' promises to 'restore sovereignty to Westminster' through a parliamentary override, breaking the formal link between British courts and the European court of human rights

[Lordo]

now there you have it, you see under bbf we will also have one way of it too.

you blithering idiot. where the hell is the human rights of people being held at belmarsh with no trial even now when the eu human rights apply. cant get it right you say. too furquin right it aint good enough but it does not stop shitheads like you suggesting we can trust gcs with them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3714864.stm

you can take your eu human rights and i do believe you shall be fee to shove them which ever orifice of yours you prefer.

[Kikapu]

now there you have it, you see under bbf we will also have one way of it too.

you blithering idiot. where the hell is the human rights of people being held at belmarsh with no trial even now when the eu human rights apply. cant get it right you say. too furquin right it aint good enough but it does not stop shitheads like you suggesting we can trust gcs with them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3714864.stm

you can take your eu human rights and i do believe you shall be fee to shove them which ever orifice of yours you prefer.

So what you are saying is, you don't want any kind of Human Rights at all, and Cypriots are suppose to trust you with that kind of a system, is that it?

[Mustiejodu]

Our government want to remove it because criminals from other countries that we want to get rid of are abusing the Human rights act that they have a right to live with their family . It's a Lisa of bull shit. These are criminals that take other people's human rights not to be murdered or raped etc etc and they want equal treatment in return. I say anyone that infringes on anirptger persons human rights automatically forfeits their human rights.

[Lordo]

now there you have it, you see under bbf we will also have one way of it too.

you blithering idiot. where the hell is the human rights of people being held at belmarsh with no trial even now when the eu human rights apply. cant get it right you say. too furquin right it aint good enough but it does not stop shitheads like you suggesting we can trust gcs with them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3714864.stm

you can take your eu human rights and i do believe you shall be fee to shove them which ever orifice of yours you prefer.

So what you are saying is, you don't want any kind of Human Rights at all, and Cypriots are suppose to trust you with that kind of a system, is that it?

you really are something else. where did i say such a thing. of course we are going to have human rights under bbf. our human rights will be to protect the two communities. stop one taking control of the other. what can be more human right then to exists.

[Lordo]

Our government want to remove it because criminals from other countries that we want to get rid of are abusing the Human rights act that they have a right to live with their family . It's a Lisa of bull shit. These are criminals that take other people's human rights not to be murdered or raped etc etc and they want equal treatment in return. I say anyone that infringes on anirptger persons human rights automatically forfeits their human rights.

not in my name musti.
if you have somebody who has been shown in a court of law beyond any reasonable doubt that they are indeed terrorists and aere intending to harm our country, i would say after a fair trial if found guilty then do as you wish. but this is not what is happening. they pick up somebody on the say so of another and put him into belmarsh and label him as a terrorist. from that point onward
1. they are not allowed to see what they are being held for.
2. they are not allowed to attend any court for their trial
3. they have a choice of release but they have to normally be released to a country that would torture them.
4. some are not even taken to court because there is no evidence.


these people are not terrorists until their guilt is proven. if our civilisation as as described, there is no civilisation.

take the case of abu qatada, he was held for years and never charged. then he was sent to jordan tried and found not guilty. so why was he held for those years if there no evidence. our civilisation is what makes us, they way you are thinking is no different than the terrorists you dislike.

[Paphitis]

Our government want to remove it because criminals from other countries that we want to get rid of are abusing the Human rights act that they have a right to live with their family . It's a Lisa of bull shit. These are criminals that take other people's human rights not to be murdered or raped etc etc and they want equal treatment in return. I say anyone that infringes on anirptger persons human rights automatically forfeits their human rights.

not in my name musti.
if you have somebody who has been shown in a court of law beyond any reasonable doubt that they are indeed terrorists and aere intending to harm our country, i would say after a fair trial if found guilty then do as you wish. but this is not what is happening. they pick up somebody on the say so of another and put him into belmarsh and label him as a terrorist. from that point onward
1. they are not allowed to see what they are being held for.
2. they are not allowed to attend any court for their trial
3. they have a choice of release but they have to normally be released to a country that would torture them.
4. some are not even taken to court because there is no evidence.


these people are not terrorists until their guilt is proven. if our civilisation as as described, there is no civilisation.

take the case of abu qatada, he was held for years and never charged. then he was sent to jordan tried and found not guilty. so why was he held for those years if there no evidence. our civilisation is what makes us, they way you are thinking is no different than the terrorists you dislike.

Sorry, but this domain is the responsibility of the countries Intelligence Services. For these bodies to function, they have to violate certain people's "Human Rights" to begin with because the mere fact they have people in Britain and overseas under surveillance could be deemed as a violation against their right.

There is no going to a Court in order to get a warrant under these matters. The surveillance just occurs whether you like it or not. And they do it in order to not allow the wrong persons to enter their country and blow 100 people up in a busy train station or something.

They also have the right to take people's passports from them and its all fair enough if they have gone to Syria to fight for the cutthroats.

Some things like this are done for National Security and do not belong in the court system where idiots like YOU have a say. There is no DEMOCRACY in National Security so jam it. If a terrorist attack occurs tomorrow, the people will be the first to criticize the Government and the Intelligence Community for letting this get through the cracks.