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[Pyrpolizer]

You don't need to tell me about the axristous, pezevenkies on our side. They all need the kremala, but what can us lowly people do. It is a disgrace. That doesn't excuse MFs like you though dies it.

You are the reason we have no solution, the theives on the otherside, depend on pricks like you to support them, they have no rush to solve anything when they can get your money so freely.

Only strangulation of the occupied would have yielded a result, but now we have them demanding and as mass arresi.

Axriste!

Go buy a Toyota.
Made in ... Turkey Anapire

[Lordo]

Both Germany and Japan were allowed to have what were called Self Defence forces. The right to self defence is part of statehood, it cannot be taken away by an agreement. It is implied by the mere existence of a state.

Having an army, and we are not talking about tens of thousands, we are talking in hundreds as was the case with the original Cyprus army under the 1960 agreements, is a symbol of true independence. It costs a lot less than losses from a natural disaster left unchecked.

There is the alternative of "volunteer cadres" who will be trained for natural disasters and other emergencies, and I wonder if that is not more open to abuse than an army with a clear role from the start.

you mean like in 1960 and see where that got us. like a lunatic you are not trusted with an army.

[Paphitis]

Both Germany and Japan were allowed to have what were called Self Defence forces. The right to self defence is part of statehood, it cannot be taken away by an agreement. It is implied by the mere existence of a state.

Having an army, and we are not talking about tens of thousands, we are talking in hundreds as was the case with the original Cyprus army under the 1960 agreements, is a symbol of true independence. It costs a lot less than losses from a natural disaster left unchecked.

There is the alternative of "volunteer cadres" who will be trained for natural disasters and other emergencies, and I wonder if that is not more open to abuse than an army with a clear role from the start.

you mean like in 1960 and see where that got us. like a lunatic you are not trusted with an army.

We don't trust Turkey's Guarantees.

So there we have it. It's Game Over already so let's all go home and TCs back to their trashcan.

[Paphitis]

A strong, well equipped, and as large as possible NG is our only and best guarantee. Everything else is bullshit.

When Turkey knows that there are 100,000+ well equipped men in uniform with modern air and naval defenses, she’ll think twice before trying anything clever again.

If Turkey tries anything stupid she’ll know that there’ll be a price to pay and the risk of global humiliation as her jets get shot out the sky in droves.

Long live the CNG and may it grow and strengthen in every way!

I think the gurantees is what the TCs would desire as part of the solution however pragmatic approach there is to solve the problem. I don't think anyone needs gurantees in my own opinion but I think it's a deal maker. I think cyprus as a whole would benefit of their own defence against a real threat like isis not Turkey. Can you tell me then what will this future CNG consist of . Will it have TC s and GCS in this 100,000 strong army ? How would you have this established as part of the solution ?

The Cyprus National Guard is very important although it could metamorphose into a Cypriot Defence Force.

This Military Force will comprise both GC and TC service personnel. The TCs should have a minimum of 20% of all positions, but possible even more. It is possible to have a combination of mixed and solely TC units. Just depends what the TCs are comfortable with. However, I think it would be wise to have TC units under the direct command of TC Commissioned Officers but at the end of the day, both TC and GC need to work together so segregation is not ideal over the longer term.

It's a very important element of the Nation, not just in terms of National defence and Security but it will also provide both GCs and TCs with excellent career opportunities all paid for by the public purse. It's absolutely critical to give the youth all available options and a career serving your country is not a bad way to go at all in a fully professional CDF.

Compulsory Military Service will be disbanded probably which is just as good because the CDF would like to pick and choose its recruits as they have too many Mummy's Boys like Get Real with their Mum's home made Dolmades on base. We need to separate the Boys from the Men and let's face it, not everyone is made to be given the responsibility of handling weapons.

I like your idea because both ethnic groups have to work together as a team . It's a excellent team building process. Business establishments send groups from different departments to a 3 to 5 days out in the forest for a team building Excercise and you get to depend on each other and break down barriers. If our future youth done their military service together then they won't see each other as enemies but brothers in arms.

Oh yes that's right Mustie.

There is nothing like a Military in building team work.

[Paphitis]

The benefits are huge!

Not least is the fact that young GCs and TCs will serve Cyprus together. The bonds which will develop as a result is something you have to experience to understand. They will form friendships for life. Bonds will form which are more powerful and meaningful than family.

I see 10 times more advantages than disadvantages.

So much so, I have to ask what the real agenda is for demilitarization. Is it so we are defenceless?

It's also not just about Defence. It's many things from disaster relief (imagine a 9 richter earthquake), border security, law enforcement, security, EEZ (we have a trillion in assets under the ocean), terrorism, SAR and many more things.

Oh and those in the Military should work for their money too. There is always things the Military should be doing.

Even if it's to do some PR at the local high school trying to get next year's new recruits to volunteer. Or to just simply help the community. When it's quiet, then train and keep fit. Do some courses, and gain new skills.

No one will get paid for nothing. Everyone to earn their money.

And it's a military. So if anyone wants to behave like a Greek primadonna then they are in for a shock and will go to bed with tears in their eye. Either they change or they wash out.

And any mum close to the base who brings a casserole of Dolmades to their precious son, will be providing endless amusement to the Officers who will find it pleasurable to turn the casserole over the recruits head and get him to clean it up afterwards. Sorry, but the military can also be pretty cruel.

I think me and you should be in charge with heading the think tank in getting the country to work in a more unified establishment. I think this is a great idea. If the Berlin Wall could be brought down and a deal signed with Sinn Fein by tony Blair that ended further terrorist attacks then we can solve the problems we have in cyprus.

I think you and I should be in charge of the FoC.

Let's face it, we both grew up outside of Cyprus and appear to be a lot smarter than our Cypriot Born counterparts on this forum.

We think outside the square, always looking for innovative ways.

[Paphitis]

You guys are out of time and space. We are BANKRUPT in Cyprus. In case of a solution the TC Fed. state won't even be able to raise taxes to pay their public servants let aside those at Federal Government. The current RoC is totally on it's knees this idiot Anastasiades bent us on new taxes just to keep paying the public servants. The banks announce huge damages yet they keep their highly paid employees doing meaningless paper work actually been paid from people's OWN DEPOSITS. We only need a new rumor that they would do another cut on deposits to go astray here....
And you talk about huge military expenditures and stuff.

One of the benefits of a solution is de-militarisation in which we would save some money to cover the costs of this expensive Federal system, and you dream for some huge local military??

NB.Are you all public servants and Bank employees in this forum? No one of you is out there in the real economy?

Demilitarization is not a solution and the current state of affairs is temporary. It won't be like this forever.

You don't have to spend a fortune on Defence. Most countries spend about 2% of GDP. That is currently lower than what is currently spent on Defence.

One further thing is that the military is actually an indirect contributor to GDP. Think about it. There a few thousand career jobs where young Cypriots are earning a good wage and feel like they are contributing to the country. This adds to the economy. Then, many things should be outsourced. Things like security, catering, health services, counseling, and not only this but certain micro industries will form on the peripheries. Firms who will provide maintenance to aircraft, ships, tanks and others which may produce Kevlar armour, bullets, uniforms and boots. Potentially add another few hundred jobs.

What you spend on Defence is not exactly completely lost to the economy. Potentially, Defence can actually add more than 2% in GDP. That is certainly the case in some countries.

There is nothing better than to give young GCs and TCs a great opportunity to have great careers doing some very important work for Cyprus. They get careers, play with fun toys, get mentally and physically super fit, you increase their esteem and make them think they have achieved something quite unique and special. Make them 10 FT tall. They also learn useful skills they can take with them afterwards and Cyprus develops a great pool of talented young people playing with some of the most advance systems on the planet.

Cyprus also needs a Military. To think that Cyprus can be demilitarized is naive.

I think it's a no brainer.

We are already spending about 10% of our GDP. If you think that Increasing the GDP by spending our money on armaments is a good indicator you are wrong. GDP cannot be viewed separately from it's components like GNP, NNI just to name a few.
If you spend your money at expensive restaurants every day, just appears you as a rich person, in reality your family economics are much worse compared to another person of equal status who eats at home.

No you do not spend 10%. Don't pull those numbers out of your arse. Cyprus is spending closer to 4%.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS. ... /countries

And when Compulsory Service is abolished, that will decrease further to more like 2%.

Not only this, the benefits of just applying good career employment on its own far outweighs spending 0%.

Not to mention the fact that leaving the island Defenceless is the STUPIDESS thing in the world, just from a terrorism or border security point of you.

What are you going to do if 200,000 boat people come from Africa? Ask the Brits for help?

[Paphitis]

Both Germany and Japan were allowed to have what were called Self Defence forces. The right to self defence is part of statehood, it cannot be taken away by an agreement. It is implied by the mere existence of a state.

Having an army, and we are not talking about tens of thousands, we are talking in hundreds as was the case with the original Cyprus army under the 1960 agreements, is a symbol of true independence. It costs a lot less than losses from a natural disaster left unchecked.

There is the alternative of "volunteer cadres" who will be trained for natural disasters and other emergencies, and I wonder if that is not more open to abuse than an army with a clear role from the start.

Exactly!

And if Germany and Japan have that right, then so does Cyprus!

[Pyrpolizer]

No you do not spend 10%. Don't pull those numbers out of your arse. Cyprus is spending closer to 4%.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS. ... /countries

And when Compulsory Service is abolished, that will decrease further to more like 2%.

Not only this, the benefits of just applying good career employment on its own far outweighs spending 0%.

Not to mention the fact that leaving the island Defenceless is the STUPIDESS thing in the world, just from a terrorism or border security point of you.

What are you going to do if 200,000 boat people come from Africa? Ask the Brits for help?

You are too sloppy in your searches.
And on top of it trusting the World bank to get such data when most of it is secret??
First of all those percentages are not based on GDP but on Government expenditure.
It's obvious that at best they only include salaries and pensions.
To get an idea how much we spend on armaments you have to do it indirectly. Start from the fact that all interests gained from deposits are taxed 30% and that tax goes directly to armaments.
In the good old times BOC was announcing profits almost near 1 billion.
Question:Was BOC making more profits than what the Gvnt was sucking from people's collected interests?
Do your maths step by step and you will find out in the good old times we were even spending more than 10% of our GDP.

[Paphitis]

No you do not spend 10%. Don't pull those numbers out of your arse. Cyprus is spending closer to 4%.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS. ... /countries

And when Compulsory Service is abolished, that will decrease further to more like 2%.

Not only this, the benefits of just applying good career employment on its own far outweighs spending 0%.

Not to mention the fact that leaving the island Defenceless is the STUPIDESS thing in the world, just from a terrorism or border security point of you.

What are you going to do if 200,000 boat people come from Africa? Ask the Brits for help?

You are too sloppy in your searches.
And on top of it trusting the World bank to get such data when most of it is secret??
First of all those percentages are not based on GDP but on Government expenditure.
It's obvious that at best they only include salaries and pensions.
To get an idea how much we spend on armaments you have to do it indirectly. Start from the fact that all interests gained from deposits are taxed 30% and that tax goes directly to armaments.
In the good old times BOC was announcing profits almost near 1 billion.
Question:Was BOC making more profits than what the Gvnt was sucking from people's collected interests?
Do your maths step by step and you will find out in the good old times we were even spending more than 10% of our GDP.

Most of it is secret huh?

How is that even possible when you're owned by the Troika?

Here is another source: http://www.eda.europa.eu/info-hub/defen ... /year/2012

Total Expenditure €323 million
GDP 1.81% (2012)

http://www.eda.europa.eu/info-hub/defen ... /year/2012

For your information, maybe some of your purchases are secret but the expenditure certainly is not. It has to be approved by Parliament first of all, and you can't just fudge the books unless you want to be fucked even more by the Eurozone.

I don't even know why you would keep your purchases secret either. It's not as if you can hide anything.

I remember when the Hind Helicopters were suppose to be secret until they had to take off from Paphos Airport.

Furthermore, I doubt Cyprus would ever be allowed to spend even 5%. You won't be allowed because the lenders own your arses, but expenditure of 2 to 3% is easily justifiable and quite standard.

[B25]

No you do not spend 10%. Don't pull those numbers out of your arse. Cyprus is spending closer to 4%.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS. ... /countries

And when Compulsory Service is abolished, that will decrease further to more like 2%.

Not only this, the benefits of just applying good career employment on its own far outweighs spending 0%.

Not to mention the fact that leaving the island Defenceless is the STUPIDESS thing in the world, just from a terrorism or border security point of you.

What are you going to do if 200,000 boat people come from Africa? Ask the Brits for help?

You are too sloppy in your searches.
And on top of it trusting the World bank to get such data when most of it is secret??
First of all those percentages are not based on GDP but on Government expenditure.
It's obvious that at best they only include salaries and pensions.
To get an idea how much we spend on armaments you have to do it indirectly. Start from the fact that all interests gained from deposits are taxed 30% and that tax goes directly to armaments.
In the good old times BOC was announcing profits almost near 1 billion.
Question:Was BOC making more profits than what the Gvnt was sucking from people's collected interests?
Do your maths step by step and you will find out in the good old times we were even spending more than 10% of our GDP.

Most of it is secret huh?

How is that even possible when you're owned by the Troika?

Here is another source: http://www.eda.europa.eu/info-hub/defen ... /year/2012

Total Expenditure €323 million
GDP 1.81% (2012)

http://www.eda.europa.eu/info-hub/defen ... /year/2012

For your information, maybe some of your purchases are secret but the expenditure certainly is not. It has to be approved by Parliament first of all, and you can't just fudge the books unless you want to be fucked even more by the Eurozone.

I don't even know why you would keep your purchases secret either. It's not as if you can hide anything.

I remember when the Hind Helicopters were suppose to be secret until they had to take off from Paphos Airport.

Furthermore, I doubt Cyprus would ever be allowed to spend even 5%. You won't be allowed because the lenders own your arses, but expenditure of 2 to 3% is easily justifiable and quite standard.

Paphiti, whatever Cyprus spends, it's not enough. When you have neighbours like Turkey and assholes like Pyro to deal with we always need more.

Nikita, other countries may be allowed self defence as a statehood, but this does not apply to Cyprus, our masters US/UK have ensured this. Just look at the S300 saga. We should just have told them all the FO and bring them in. In fact we should upgrade to the S500 system. I would be more than happy to pay more tax as long as it went to these armaments.