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[Pyrpolizer]

You guys are out of time and space. We are BANKRUPT in Cyprus. In case of a solution the TC Fed. state won't even be able to raise taxes to pay their public servants let aside those at Federal Government. The current RoC is totally on it's knees this idiot Anastasiades bent us on new taxes just to keep paying the public servants. The banks announce huge damages yet they keep their highly paid employees doing meaningless paper work actually been paid from people's OWN DEPOSITS. We only need a new rumor that they would do another cut on deposits to go astray here....
And you talk about huge military expenditures and stuff.

One of the benefits of a solution is de-militarisation in which we would save some money to cover the costs of this expensive Federal system, and you dream for some huge local military??

NB.Are you all public servants and Bank employees in this forum? No one of you is out there in the real economy?

Demilitarization is not a solution and the current state of affairs is temporary. It won't be like this forever.

You don't have to spend a fortune on Defence. Most countries spend about 2% of GDP. That is currently lower than what is currently spent on Defence.

One further thing is that the military is actually an indirect contributor to GDP. Think about it. There a few thousand career jobs where young Cypriots are earning a good wage and feel like they are contributing to the country. This adds to the economy. Then, many things should be outsourced. Things like security, catering, health services, counseling, and not only this but certain micro industries will form on the peripheries. Firms who will provide maintenance to aircraft, ships, tanks and others which may produce Kevlar armour, bullets, uniforms and boots. Potentially add another few hundred jobs.

What you spend on Defence is not exactly completely lost to the economy. Potentially, Defence can actually add more than 2% in GDP. That is certainly the case in some countries.

There is nothing better than to give young GCs and TCs a great opportunity to have great careers doing some very important work for Cyprus. They get careers, play with fun toys, get mentally and physically super fit, you increase their esteem and make them think they have achieved something quite unique and special. Make them 10 FT tall. They also learn useful skills they can take with them afterwards and Cyprus develops a great pool of talented young people playing with some of the most advance systems on the planet.

Cyprus also needs a Military. To think that Cyprus can be demilitarized is naive.

I think it's a no brainer.

We are already spending about 10% of our GDP. If you think that Increasing the GDP by spending our money on armaments is a good indicator you are wrong. GDP cannot be viewed separately from it's components like GNP, NNI just to name a few.
If you spend your money at expensive restaurants every day, just appears you as a rich person, in reality your family economics are much worse compared to another person of equal status who eats at home.

[Pyrpolizer]

You guys are out of time and space. We are BANKRUPT in Cyprus. In case of a solution the TC Fed. state won't even be able to raise taxes to pay their public servants let aside those at Federal Government. The current RoC is totally on it's knees this idiot Anastasiades bent us on new taxes just to keep paying the public servants. The banks announce huge damages yet they keep their highly paid employees doing meaningless paper work actually been paid from people's OWN DEPOSITS. We only need a new rumor that they would do another cut on deposits to go astray here....
And you talk about huge military expenditures and stuff.

One of the benefits of a solution is de-militarisation in which we would save some money to cover the costs of this expensive Federal system, and you dream for some huge local military??

NB.Are you all public servants and Bank employees in this forum? No one of you is out there in the real economy?

That's rich coming from you who likes to spend his money in the occupied areas to save a few pennies and your son who has his tyres changed over there. It is exactly because of people like you that we are having some of these financial troubles. They should tax traitors like you so that the RoC does not lose out.

Having a strong military force is a must when you have barbarians as neighbours, and any expenditure should come from taxes of the likes of you and yours.

in that case RoC itself should be the biggest traitor because she is been traditionally the biggest financer of the occupied. For a starter, 2 billion free Electricity over the years just to enlighten your stupid brains...

[B25]

You don't need to tell me about the axristous, pezevenkies on our side. They all need the kremala, but what can us lowly people do. It is a disgrace. That doesn't excuse MFs like you though dies it.

You are the reason we have no solution, the theives on the otherside, depend on pricks like you to support them, they have no rush to solve anything when they can get your money so freely.

Only strangulation of the occupied would have yielded a result, but now we have them demanding and as mass arresi.

Axriste!

[Nikitas]

Lordo you need to read an encyclopedia re this gem:

"the swiss do not have a defence force "

They have one of the biggest armies in Europe despite their tiny 6 million population. Every Swiss male does mandatory service and is on a lifetime call up programme with one month service each year. On full call up Switzerland can muster an army of about a million men. Check it.

Who you defend against is an unknown. If it was known then you would not need a standing army. Not having an army by choice is one thing, giving up the right to have an army in your founding charter is another. The difference is not semantic.

Armies do not just fight people, they are the primary units in cases of natural disasters and large scale rescues, such as earth quakes, forest fires, floods etc. After the earth quake at Ikonio in Turkey it was the army that responded first and with the largest chunk of help for the stricken residents.

Just because we are going to try out a new, for us, federal system, that does not mean we are obliged to abandon all traits of a modern state. Armed forces are a part of modern states, and if some don't think Cyprus need them it is like saying Cyprus will not be a modern state, which is not their call to make.

[Lordo]

ok i made a mistake, in my mind at some point they had no army. who gives a fuck. the question remains. who can groc defend itself against that it should arm. in my defence it aint easy having 7 wives and 29 children. it does not leave much time for reading.

thats bull shit about army for disasters. you can have trained people to do that. i have it in good authority that the agreement will include what i said.

in any case the germans and japs were not allowed an army after ww2. gcs are no different. guilty as charged and punishment the same. no army. imagine how strong the economy would be without having to spend on the army.

[Get Real!]

One of the benefits of a solution is de-militarisation...

It's just as well you won't be enjoying such a "benefit" as you'll never get there.

[Get Real!]

who can groc defend itself against that it should arm.

Stick around (don't die on us just yet) and you may soon find out...

[Lordo]

tell me against who brave boy. are you intending to climb some poles

[Get Real!]

tell me against who brave boy. are you intending to climb some poles

I'm not one of the stupid ones who go to a shootout without a gun.

[Nikitas]

Both Germany and Japan were allowed to have what were called Self Defence forces. The right to self defence is part of statehood, it cannot be taken away by an agreement. It is implied by the mere existence of a state.

Having an army, and we are not talking about tens of thousands, we are talking in hundreds as was the case with the original Cyprus army under the 1960 agreements, is a symbol of true independence. It costs a lot less than losses from a natural disaster left unchecked.

There is the alternative of "volunteer cadres" who will be trained for natural disasters and other emergencies, and I wonder if that is not more open to abuse than an army with a clear role from the start.