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[Pyrpolizer]

You guys are out of time and space. We are BANKRUPT in Cyprus. In case of a solution the TC Fed. state won't even be able to raise taxes to pay their public servants let aside those at Federal Government. The current RoC is totally on it's knees this idiot Anastasiades bent us on new taxes just to keep paying the public servants. The banks announce huge damages yet they keep their highly paid employees doing meaningless paper work actually been paid from people's OWN DEPOSITS. We only need a new rumor that they would do another cut on deposits to go astray here....
And you talk about huge military expenditures and stuff.

One of the benefits of a solution is de-militarisation in which we would save some money to cover the costs of this expensive Federal system, and you dream for some huge local military??

NB.Are you all public servants and Bank employees in this forum? No one of you is out there in the real economy?

[Kikapu]

no it does not. the swiss do not have a defence force and nor do some of the small islands either.
tell me who cyprus is able to defend itself against. dont be stupid.

Are you sure, Lordo?

The Swiss Armed Forces (German: Schweizer Armee, French: Armée suisse, Italian: Esercito svizzero, Romanisch: Armada svizra) operate on land, in the air, and in international waters. Under the country's militia system, professional soldiers constitute about 5 percent[citation needed] of the military and the rest are conscripts or volunteers aged 19 to 34 (in some cases up to 50). Because of Switzerland's long history of neutrality, the army does not take part in armed conflicts in other countries, but it does participate in international peacekeeping missions. Switzerland is part of the NATO partnership for peace programme.

The structure of the Swiss militia system stipulates that the soldiers keep their own personal equipment, including all personally assigned weapons, at home (until 2007 this also included ammunition[4]). Compulsory military service concerns all male Swiss citizens, with women serving voluntarily. Males usually receive initial orders at the age of 18 for military conscription eligibility screening. About two-thirds of young Swiss men are found suitable for service, while alternative service exists for those found unsuitable.[5] Annually, approximately 20,000 persons are trained in basic training for a duration from 18 to 21 weeks (increased from 15 weeks, in 2003).

The reform "Army XXI" was adopted by popular vote in 2003. It replaced the previous model "Army 95", reducing manpower from 400,000 to about 200,000 personnel, 120,000 receiving periodic military training and 80,000 reservists who have completed their total military training requirements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Switzerland

[Paphitis]

You guys are out of time and space. We are BANKRUPT in Cyprus. In case of a solution the TC Fed. state won't even be able to raise taxes to pay their public servants let aside those at Federal Government. The current RoC is totally on it's knees this idiot Anastasiades bent us on new taxes just to keep paying the public servants. The banks announce huge damages yet they keep their highly paid employees doing meaningless paper work actually been paid from people's OWN DEPOSITS. We only need a new rumor that they would do another cut on deposits to go astray here....
And you talk about huge military expenditures and stuff.

One of the benefits of a solution is de-militarisation in which we would save some money to cover the costs of this expensive Federal system, and you dream for some huge local military??

NB.Are you all public servants and Bank employees in this forum? No one of you is out there in the real economy?

Demilitarization is not a solution and the current state of affairs is temporary. It won't be like this forever.

You don't have to spend a fortune on Defence. Most countries spend about 2% of GDP. That is currently lower than what is currently spent on Defence.

One further thing is that the military is actually an indirect contributor to GDP. Think about it. There a few thousand career jobs where young Cypriots are earning a good wage and feel like they are contributing to the country. This adds to the economy. Then, many things should be outsourced. Things like security, catering, health services, counseling, and not only this but certain micro industries will form on the peripheries. Firms who will provide maintenance to aircraft, ships, tanks and others which may produce Kevlar armour, bullets, uniforms and boots. Potentially add another few hundred jobs.

What you spend on Defence is not exactly completely lost to the economy. Potentially, Defence can actually add more than 2% in GDP. That is certainly the case in some countries.

There is nothing better than to give young GCs and TCs a great opportunity to have great careers doing some very important work for Cyprus. They get careers, play with fun toys, get mentally and physically super fit, you increase their esteem and make them think they have achieved something quite unique and special. Make them 10 FT tall. They also learn useful skills they can take with them afterwards and Cyprus develops a great pool of talented young people playing with some of the most advance systems on the planet.

Cyprus also needs a Military. To think that Cyprus can be demilitarized is naive.

I think it's a no brainer.

[Lordo]

no it does not. the swiss do not have a defence force and nor do some of the small islands either.
tell me who cyprus is able to defend itself against. dont be stupid.

Are you sure, Lordo?

The Swiss Armed Forces (German: Schweizer Armee, French: Armée suisse, Italian: Esercito svizzero, Romanisch: Armada svizra) operate on land, in the air, and in international waters. Under the country's militia system, professional soldiers constitute about 5 percent[citation needed] of the military and the rest are conscripts or volunteers aged 19 to 34 (in some cases up to 50). Because of Switzerland's long history of neutrality, the army does not take part in armed conflicts in other countries, but it does participate in international peacekeeping missions. Switzerland is part of the NATO partnership for peace programme.

The structure of the Swiss militia system stipulates that the soldiers keep their own personal equipment, including all personally assigned weapons, at home (until 2007 this also included ammunition[4]). Compulsory military service concerns all male Swiss citizens, with women serving voluntarily. Males usually receive initial orders at the age of 18 for military conscription eligibility screening. About two-thirds of young Swiss men are found suitable for service, while alternative service exists for those found unsuitable.[5] Annually, approximately 20,000 persons are trained in basic training for a duration from 18 to 21 weeks (increased from 15 weeks, in 2003).

The reform "Army XXI" was adopted by popular vote in 2003. It replaced the previous model "Army 95", reducing manpower from 400,000 to about 200,000 personnel, 120,000 receiving periodic military training and 80,000 reservists who have completed their total military training requirements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Switzerland

answer the second part too and i will get back to the first part.

[B25]

You guys are out of time and space. We are BANKRUPT in Cyprus. In case of a solution the TC Fed. state won't even be able to raise taxes to pay their public servants let aside those at Federal Government. The current RoC is totally on it's knees this idiot Anastasiades bent us on new taxes just to keep paying the public servants. The banks announce huge damages yet they keep their highly paid employees doing meaningless paper work actually been paid from people's OWN DEPOSITS. We only need a new rumor that they would do another cut on deposits to go astray here....
And you talk about huge military expenditures and stuff.

One of the benefits of a solution is de-militarisation in which we would save some money to cover the costs of this expensive Federal system, and you dream for some huge local military??

NB.Are you all public servants and Bank employees in this forum? No one of you is out there in the real economy?

That's rich coming from you who likes to spend his money in the occupied areas to save a few pennies and your son who has his tyres changed over there. It is exactly because of people like you that we are having some of these financial troubles. They should tax traitors like you so that the RoC does not lose out.

Having a strong military force is a must when you have barbarians as neighbours, and any expenditure should come from taxes of the likes of you and yours.

[Paphitis]

The benefits are huge!

Not least is the fact that young GCs and TCs will serve Cyprus together. The bonds which will develop as a result is something you have to experience to understand. They will form friendships for life. Bonds will form which are more powerful and meaningful than family.

I see 10 times more advantages than disadvantages.

So much so, I have to ask what the real agenda is for demilitarization. Is it so we are defenceless?

It's also not just about Defence. It's many things from disaster relief (imagine a 9 richter earthquake), border security, law enforcement, security, EEZ (we have a trillion in assets under the ocean), terrorism, SAR and many more things.

Oh and those in the Military should work for their money too. There is always things the Military should be doing.

Even if it's to do some PR at the local high school trying to get next year's new recruits to volunteer. Or to just simply help the community. When it's quiet, then train and keep fit. Do some courses, and gain new skills.

No one will get paid for nothing. Everyone to earn their money.

And it's a military. So if anyone wants to behave like a Greek primadonna then they are in for a shock and will go to bed with tears in their eye. Either they change or they wash out.

And any mum close to the base who brings a casserole of Dolmades to their precious son, will be providing endless amusement to the Officers who will find it pleasurable to turn the casserole over the recruits head and get him to clean it up afterwards. Sorry, but the military can also be pretty cruel.

[Lordo]

thats bullshit and you know it. the army just plans wars all day long. we dont need an army. it is pointless to have an army when you cannot defend yourself. its not as if there is not enough arms around cyprus. in any case we are in the eu who would dare attack eu soil. except the ruskies but then again how the hell will they get there.

[Paphitis]

thats bullshit and you know it. the army just plans wars all day long. we dont need an army. it is pointless to have an army when you cannot defend yourself. its not as if there is not enough arms around cyprus. in any case we are in the eu who would dare attack eu soil. except the ruskies but then again how the hell will they get there.

That's crap and you know it.

What friggin war will a CDF plan with 3000 odd regulars? You are are stupid wombat!

Cyprus is no threat to anyone, and our military will be purely for defensive purposes. That is all it can be.

And once again, it's not just about invasion. Otherwise, why would countries like Australua, or New Zealand have a Defence Force. No one can invade them. They don't have the forces to invade another country either. More to the point, why would small Pacific Island nations have a Defence force?

Fact is, a CDF will provide the greatest opportunity for bi-communal cooperation. It is something which will solve a lot of issues and there is nothing that is more important than giving young GCs and TCs a sense of purpose as well as enormous pride in Cyprus.

The Military does not plan wars, not even the military of a superpower. Politicians do.

[Mustiejodu]

A strong, well equipped, and as large as possible NG is our only and best guarantee. Everything else is bullshit.

When Turkey knows that there are 100,000+ well equipped men in uniform with modern air and naval defenses, she’ll think twice before trying anything clever again.

If Turkey tries anything stupid she’ll know that there’ll be a price to pay and the risk of global humiliation as her jets get shot out the sky in droves.

Long live the CNG and may it grow and strengthen in every way!

I think the gurantees is what the TCs would desire as part of the solution however pragmatic approach there is to solve the problem. I don't think anyone needs gurantees in my own opinion but I think it's a deal maker. I think cyprus as a whole would benefit of their own defence against a real threat like isis not Turkey. Can you tell me then what will this future CNG consist of . Will it have TC s and GCS in this 100,000 strong army ? How would you have this established as part of the solution ?

The Cyprus National Guard is very important although it could metamorphose into a Cypriot Defence Force.

This Military Force will comprise both GC and TC service personnel. The TCs should have a minimum of 20% of all positions, but possible even more. It is possible to have a combination of mixed and solely TC units. Just depends what the TCs are comfortable with. However, I think it would be wise to have TC units under the direct command of TC Commissioned Officers but at the end of the day, both TC and GC need to work together so segregation is not ideal over the longer term.

It's a very important element of the Nation, not just in terms of National defence and Security but it will also provide both GCs and TCs with excellent career opportunities all paid for by the public purse. It's absolutely critical to give the youth all available options and a career serving your country is not a bad way to go at all in a fully professional CDF.

Compulsory Military Service will be disbanded probably which is just as good because the CDF would like to pick and choose its recruits as they have too many Mummy's Boys like Get Real with their Mum's home made Dolmades on base. We need to separate the Boys from the Men and let's face it, not everyone is made to be given the responsibility of handling weapons.

I like your idea because both ethnic groups have to work together as a team . It's a excellent team building process. Business establishments send groups from different departments to a 3 to 5 days out in the forest for a team building Excercise and you get to depend on each other and break down barriers. If our future youth done their military service together then they won't see each other as enemies but brothers in arms.

[Mustiejodu]

The benefits are huge!

Not least is the fact that young GCs and TCs will serve Cyprus together. The bonds which will develop as a result is something you have to experience to understand. They will form friendships for life. Bonds will form which are more powerful and meaningful than family.

I see 10 times more advantages than disadvantages.

So much so, I have to ask what the real agenda is for demilitarization. Is it so we are defenceless?

It's also not just about Defence. It's many things from disaster relief (imagine a 9 richter earthquake), border security, law enforcement, security, EEZ (we have a trillion in assets under the ocean), terrorism, SAR and many more things.

Oh and those in the Military should work for their money too. There is always things the Military should be doing.

Even if it's to do some PR at the local high school trying to get next year's new recruits to volunteer. Or to just simply help the community. When it's quiet, then train and keep fit. Do some courses, and gain new skills.

No one will get paid for nothing. Everyone to earn their money.

And it's a military. So if anyone wants to behave like a Greek primadonna then they are in for a shock and will go to bed with tears in their eye. Either they change or they wash out.

And any mum close to the base who brings a casserole of Dolmades to their precious son, will be providing endless amusement to the Officers who will find it pleasurable to turn the casserole over the recruits head and get him to clean it up afterwards. Sorry, but the military can also be pretty cruel.

I think me and you should be in charge with heading the think tank in getting the country to work in a more unified establishment. I think this is a great idea. If the Berlin Wall could be brought down and a deal signed with Sinn Fein by tony Blair that ended further terrorist attacks then we can solve the problems we have in cyprus.