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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:01 am

Mustiejodu wrote:
Sotos wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Mustiejodu wrote:I don't agree with your comments. All I am saying is isis is a real threat and we are caught in a very unstable geographical position. We don't need the turkish army to protect us from GCS that's a fact I will not dispute that because if I did then I am indirectly saying that all GCS want to kill TCs . There might be a few but not worth mentioning and feeling like killing some one to actually acting it out are two different things. Do you think we are safe with what is going on around us?


This is actually a very pleasing post. I am surprised.

The GCs are no threat as a whole. And I don't believe the TCs are a threat either even though there are some Grey Wolves.

To answer your question, Cypriots at large are not safe from potential attack by ISIL. They have the capability to attack America, Australia and any European Nation on its own soil, so Cyprus is a possible sitting duck. So there is no such thing as immunity from terrorist attack.

Even more disturbing is the propaganda which has already published a number of maps which include Cyprus as part of their Caliphate.


That idiot also posted this thread on the same day: cyprus43671.html He tells us that GCs are not a threat and then on the same day he writes that guarantees by Turkey are necessary :roll:


Sotos you have failed to answer my previous questions yet you are attempting to belittle my comments which at times are not my own opinion but based on the information at hand. Looking at this overall I believe a solution is possible with everything on the table but to support this I think it will go through with gurantees. My own opinion is get the turkish, greek and English army out but as I said before there is a real isis threat in the distant future that I TRUELY believe so would it be wise to do this now as part of the solution ? As I said before there is no threat from either TCs or GCS to each other and I stand by this. I will clarify this so sotos does not mix it up and accuse me that I say one thing and do some thing else. It is my belief that we don't need any gurantees and there is no threat to each community however I believe that the parties involved in solving this solution will not proceed unless part of the deal continues with gurantees or a revised version but I do believe everything else would be possible to agree to a solution and to actually sanction it . Does that make it any more clear to you sotos . Sotos you still have not answered my previous question.


The best way to defend against ISIL is to have your own Cyprus National Guard and your own Intelligence Agencies.

There is no way the British or anyone else for that matter will share intelligence with the RoC. It never happens.

Usually, Intelligence is shared between the Echellon 5 - USA, UK, AUS, NZ and Canada, but even then there are classifications which are not shared at ll.

At Pine Gap, the USA and AUS have separate Operations Rooms and they don't allow the other in most of the time even though it's a joint spy base.

The other thing that is possible is that the Echellon 5 might even be aware of an attack on Cypriot soil and not inform Cypriot Authorities. The reason is that they could even want the attack to occur in order to galvanise public opinion. Yes it's not right or ethical, but there is nothing about it that was ever meant to be moral or ethical. They just have objectives.

If you don't do it yourself, you're basically fucked!
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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:04 am

Lordo wrote:all those weapons you have just purchased will have to be sold off now. cyprus is about to be disarmed.
renga news reporting.

there will be guarantees
600 gc soldiers
600 tc soldiers
600 british soldiers
1200 eu soldiers from different countries.
they will all be under a unifed command and the commander will not be from any gc tc or british forces.

and thats how the new guarantee will work.
renga news sto


You can stuff your foreign troops up your arse!
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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Get Real! » Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:13 am

Paphitis wrote:The best way to defend against ISIL...

:? Ma eisai telia balavos re?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thkiaole re gamodo, ma indabou se daizpoun tzikado... anabodo americanikon villo? :lol:
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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:24 am

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:The best way to defend against ISIL...

:? Ma eisai telia balavos re?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thkiaole re gamodo, ma indabou se daizpoun tzikado... anabodo americanikon villo? :lol:


No I am perfectly fine thank you.

You should be more more worried about yourself.

Don't butcher my posts either to take them out of context.

The best way to defend against ISIL is to have your own Cyprus National Guard and your own Intelligence Agencies.


VLAKA! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:58 am

Mustiejodu wrote:
Get Real! wrote:A strong, well equipped, and as large as possible NG is our only and best guarantee. Everything else is bullshit.

When Turkey knows that there are 100,000+ well equipped men in uniform with modern air and naval defenses, she’ll think twice before trying anything clever again.

If Turkey tries anything stupid she’ll know that there’ll be a price to pay and the risk of global humiliation as her jets get shot out the sky in droves.

Long live the CNG and may it grow and strengthen in every way! :)



I think the gurantees is what the TCs would desire as part of the solution however pragmatic approach there is to solve the problem. I don't think anyone needs gurantees in my own opinion but I think it's a deal maker. I think cyprus as a whole would benefit of their own defence against a real threat like isis not Turkey. Can you tell me then what will this future CNG consist of . Will it have TC s and GCS in this 100,000 strong army ? How would you have this established as part of the solution ?


The Cyprus National Guard is very important although it could metamorphose into a Cypriot Defence Force.

This Military Force will comprise both GC and TC service personnel. The TCs should have a minimum of 20% of all positions, but possible even more. It is possible to have a combination of mixed and solely TC units. Just depends what the TCs are comfortable with. However, I think it would be wise to have TC units under the direct command of TC Commissioned Officers but at the end of the day, both TC and GC need to work together so segregation is not ideal over the longer term.

It's a very important element of the Nation, not just in terms of National defence and Security but it will also provide both GCs and TCs with excellent career opportunities all paid for by the public purse. It's absolutely critical to give the youth all available options and a career serving your country is not a bad way to go at all in a fully professional CDF.

Compulsory Military Service will be disbanded probably which is just as good because the CDF would like to pick and choose its recruits as they have too many Mummy's Boys like Get Real with their Mum's home made Dolmades on base. We need to separate the Boys from the Men and let's face it, not everyone is made to be given the responsibility of handling weapons.
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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Nikitas » Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:00 am

For an island nation wouldn't the top priorities be navy and air forces and anti air and anti naval capabilities? A standing army is not much use, unless it has an inward looking attitude, and we know what that means.
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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:00 am

Nikitas wrote:For an island nation wouldn't the top priorities be navy and air forces and anti air and anti naval capabilities? A standing army is not much use, unless it has an inward looking attitude, and we know what that means.


Yes the CDF should comprise army, navy and air elements. There will be a Navy and Air Force.

The current thinking has to stop.

Cyprus will require:
1) an army of about 1,250 men and women, with a clear focus on special forces and rapid response units and counter terrorism (similar to SAS),
2) a navy of 750 men and women and comprising fast attack craft and corvettes for Border Security, surveillance, EEZ and SAR as well as specialist Seal and Clearance Diver Teams and Saboteur Teams (OYK),
3) and an air force of 500 men and women which should also comprise a squadron of 8 to 12 fighter aircraft (Typhoon or F-35) for interdiction, as well as surveillance aircraft, Attack Helicopters and other Utility Helicopters for the deployment of forces in counter terrorism operations as well as Surveillance and SAR.

There should be a ready reserve of 20,000 to 30,000 who are also paid for the part time service.

That is my opinion anyway.
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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Lordo » Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:02 am

who exactly are you going to defend yourself against. have you all taken stupid pills again.
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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:49 am

Lordo wrote:who exactly are you going to defend yourself against. have you all taken stupid pills again.


Every country has a Defence Force, even the Vatican.

These days anything is possible, and last time I checked, Cyprus didn't have New Zealand or Fiji as its neighbors, but is in the most volatile region on the planet. Also, its invaluable for counter terrorism, law enforcement, border protection and SAR.

Cyprus is no threat to any country, but a Defence Force is the Cypriot People's right in this nasty world.

Additionally, a Military creates thousands of very valuable career jobs not to mention all the industries and businesses which will support it in the periphery.
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Re: No Guarantors ...!!!

Postby Lordo » Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:40 pm

no it does not. the swiss do not have a defence force and nor do some of the small islands either.
tell me who cyprus is able to defend itself against. dont be stupid.
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