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[Lordo]

An 82-18 territorial settlement, expressly recognising that the 82 is for ALL the other communities, thus accepting the multiethnic nature of the island. Expressly accepting that SBA territory burdens only the GC and others' area and when the SBAs go the territory will revert to southern control.

Accept the principle of one man one vote, the presidency open to all candidates from all communities and the vice presidency reserved for a TC with a weighted vote by all citizens.

Resolution of any veto by the supreme court made up entirely of Cypriots.

Things of that nature would convince most GCs.

Yes I must agree this sounds to me appropriate and proportionately representing the ethnic diversity of the country. Proportionate representation is the fairest solution and also democratic. I can't argue and I won't because it's practical.
As mustafa akinci stated we must look upon each other as future partners not enemies. I think mustafa akinci should be the president and GC guy the vice. Only because akinci without a doubt is TRUELY for all cypriots and has no hidden agenda. The other guy has already shown his true colours but akinci is what you see is what you get no matter who ever moves the goal post. That's my opinion based on various historical factors.

We're liking you more and more Musty, apart from the naughty things you said about BillC earlier, but we can only judge Mr Akinci on what he says and what he delivers and since the first couple of days he has been a disappointment, he hasn't said anything of any substance in important areas...

We want to hear what he says about Guarantees, we want to hear what he says about Occupation, we want to hear his views on Territory and Property and about Free Movement cos it's on these real things, in these massively important areas that he's being judged in the Free Areas, and so far, and as long as he remains silent, he is judged as not living up to expectations.

We must fear that he has been got at by the extremists on the other side of the cease-fire line, and there are a lot of evil people with ugly views up there, people like overweight partitionists like your Brother, Two Peoples Two Countries Weirdo, an example of someone who has grown fat on the misery of other CYs and who wants to hang on to his ill-gotten gains, despicably greedy and uncompromising excuse for a human being that he is.

so you want everybody back to their homes. and if 60,000 tcs do not wish to go back you presumably will want to force them to move.
i can tell you guarantees will stay in some form or other.
freedom to move anywhere you like is also possible. any gc who has the balls to move north should be allowed to. we could do with a few more cypriots to help us with the settlers over here.

i hope that clears all the questions you have about akinci

renga news sto


what else you want some free zivania. you will pay reh pezengi like all other pezzevengis.

[repulsewarrior]

dude you are twisting words again, as though the "states" have the Federal power.

...this will not be the case: it is the people who will have the power over the Federal Government, one man one vote does just fine under the circumstances.

as for the settlers, who stays, it is for Cyprus to make that choice, whether it is Turkish Cypriots or not who will provide for them homes instead of other people's houses.

[bill cobbett]

An 82-18 territorial settlement, expressly recognising that the 82 is for ALL the other communities, thus accepting the multiethnic nature of the island. Expressly accepting that SBA territory burdens only the GC and others' area and when the SBAs go the territory will revert to southern control.

Accept the principle of one man one vote, the presidency open to all candidates from all communities and the vice presidency reserved for a TC with a weighted vote by all citizens.

Resolution of any veto by the supreme court made up entirely of Cypriots.

Things of that nature would convince most GCs.

Yes I must agree this sounds to me appropriate and proportionately representing the ethnic diversity of the country. Proportionate representation is the fairest solution and also democratic. I can't argue and I won't because it's practical.
As mustafa akinci stated we must look upon each other as future partners not enemies. I think mustafa akinci should be the president and GC guy the vice. Only because akinci without a doubt is TRUELY for all cypriots and has no hidden agenda. The other guy has already shown his true colours but akinci is what you see is what you get no matter who ever moves the goal post. That's my opinion based on various historical factors.

We're liking you more and more Musty, apart from the naughty things you said about BillC earlier, but we can only judge Mr Akinci on what he says and what he delivers and since the first couple of days he has been a disappointment, he hasn't said anything of any substance in important areas...

We want to hear what he says about Guarantees, we want to hear what he says about Occupation, we want to hear his views on Territory and Property and about Free Movement cos it's on these real things, in these massively important areas that he's being judged in the Free Areas, and so far, and as long as he remains silent, he is judged as not living up to expectations.

We must fear that he has been got at by the extremists on the other side of the cease-fire line, and there are a lot of evil people with ugly views up there, people like overweight partitionists like your Brother, Two Peoples Two Countries Weirdo, an example of someone who has grown fat on the misery of other CYs and who wants to hang on to his ill-gotten gains, despicably greedy and uncompromising excuse for a human being that he is.

so you want everybody back to their homes. and if 60,000 tcs do not wish to go back you presumably will want to force them to move.
i can tell you guarantees will stay in some form or other.
freedom to move anywhere you like is also possible. any gc who has the balls to move north should be allowed to. we could do with a few more cypriots to help us with the settlers over here.

i hope that clears all the questions you have about akinci

renga news sto


what else you want some free zivania. you will pay reh pezengi like all other pezzevengis.

Just let us know when Mr Akinci has the courage to say something on the important subjects, Cousin Nahbaeesstaanthemo.

(As to your offer of zivania... we all know what transpired the last time you offered some, you most selfish of CYs...!!!)

[Paphitis]

Isis is no threat to us. The threat are the Turks. It is the Turks that want our land, not Isis... and even if Isis wanted our land they couldn't get it since they have no navy and no airforce. So I will ask you again what SPECIFICALLY is Akinci going to offer to us that is so much better than what was offered so far? That is the ONLY thing that matters to us... we don't care at all about his publicity stands.

Actually, they are a threat to you.

You are not immune to International Terrorism considering the fact that there are numerous suitable targets on the island.

Further to this, if they win, they will develop a Navy and Air Force and they have already been making maps which include Cyprus as part of their Caliphate. Simply put, they have eyes on Cyprus.

[Paphitis]

I don't agree with your comments. All I am saying is isis is a real threat and we are caught in a very unstable geographical position. We don't need the turkish army to protect us from GCS that's a fact I will not dispute that because if I did then I am indirectly saying that all GCS want to kill TCs . There might be a few but not worth mentioning and feeling like killing some one to actually acting it out are two different things. Do you think we are safe with what is going on around us?

This is actually a very pleasing post. I am surprised.

The GCs are no threat as a whole. And I don't believe the TCs are a threat either even though there are some Grey Wolves.

To answer your question, Cypriots at large are not safe from potential attack by ISIL. They have the capability to attack America, Australia and any European Nation on its own soil, so Cyprus is a possible sitting duck. So there is no such thing as immunity from terrorist attack.

Even more disturbing is the propaganda which has already published a number of maps which include Cyprus as part of their Caliphate.

[Paphitis]

An 82-18 territorial settlement, expressly recognising that the 82 is for ALL the other communities, thus accepting the multiethnic nature of the island. Expressly accepting that SBA territory burdens only the GC and others' area and when the SBAs go the territory will revert to southern control.

Accept the principle of one man one vote, the presidency open to all candidates from all communities and the vice presidency reserved for a TC with a weighted vote by all citizens.

Resolution of any veto by the supreme court made up entirely of Cypriots.

Things of that nature would convince most GCs.

Yes I must agree this sounds to me appropriate and proportionately representing the ethnic diversity of the country. Proportionate representation is the fairest solution and also democratic. I can't argue and I won't because it's practical.
As mustafa akinci stated we must look upon each other as future partners not enemies. I think mustafa akinci should be the president and GC guy the vice. Only because akinci without a doubt is TRUELY for all cypriots and has no hidden agenda. The other guy has already shown his true colours but akinci is what you see is what you get no matter who ever moves the goal post. That's my opinion based on various historical factors.

Far out Mustie, but you are full of surprises today.

Good to see.

The main focus also needs to be the Federation. It needs to be a functioning country and the TCs will need to play a part in it and have its own elected members. This is why I advocate the US and German model.

[Nikitas]

"so you want everybody back to their homes. and if 60,000 tcs do not wish to go back you presumably will want to force them to move."

Surprisingly it was the current Archbishop who addressed this one some years ago, saying the TCs are entitled to decent housing in the north, and if they need it then we can build them housing. Their need does not excuse the confiscation of GC properties. You can look it up, it was in some TV interview shortly after his election.

The idea is to have a solution that will minimise future resentment. A maximum number of citizens must feel they got a fair deal. People who had nothing whatever to do with politics found themselved ethnically cleansed and destitute need satisfactory restitution. Otherwise their story becomes family history, and handed down the generations. This is the process a true peace settlement stops and replaces it with something positive.

Post solution there will be a new dynamic. Experience in many countries shows that people gravitate to social and economic centers. If there is a trend among TCs to move to the urban centers of the south, while excluding GCs from the north then we have a problem. Artificial quotas as per Avnan plan will not work.

[Jerry]

It's a strange situation, according to Lord of the North there's no room for GCs in the in the occupied territory but there's loads of room for 10,000 thieving carpetbaggers on Greek Cypriot land and 100,000 freeloading settlers.

PS I hope Erdo wins by a landslide today (unlikely ,I know) he will turn even further away from the civilised world and be shat on from a great height by the US and EU.

[Jerry]

I thought this would be worth passing on from Cyprus Mail correspondence columns, perhaps more enlightened Turkish Cypriots realise at last where their future lies.


Why Turkey is a bigger threat to Turkish Cypriots than the Greek Cypriots
MAY 17TH, 2015 LETTERS 11 COMMENTS

What I am about to write may cause a great deal of controversy, particularly as I am a Turkish Cypriot living in Istanbul, but this is a reality that must be accepted by Turkish Cypriots. The fate of our people and culture is under great threat from the rapid growth of Neo-Ottomanism in Turkey.

The current government in Turkey see themselves as the self-proclaimed leaders of the Sunni-Islamic world even though no other state, even predominantly Sunni countries, share this view. This Neo-Ottomanism was on full display last August in Istanbul during an event celebrating ‘Cyprus – The Last Conquest – 40th year’ organised by the Islamist Erbakan Foundation which included Ottoman military fanfare, prays and segregated seating arrangements and was addressed by Serder Denktash, the former Turkish Cypriot deputy prime minister, leader of the so called Democratic Party and son of the late Rauf Denktash.

Mr Denktash seemed quite comfortable in such company and his speech was notably anti-Greek Cypriot, nationalistic and neo-imperialist. In the north of Cyprus since 2003, when AKP came to power in Turkey, thirty new mosques have been built, in addition prayer rooms are being created in government builds, all this in a community where the vast majority do not pray five times a day. As the government in Turkey becomes more authoritarian this Islamification may become more forceful, especially with the help of their associates in the Naksbandi Islamic order based in the Cypriot town of Lefke (Lefka).

Another controversial issue is the demography of north Cyprus which is widely disputed on both size and composition. Since Turkey’s military intervention in 1974 there has been a large inflow of migrant workers from Anatolia, some will argue their number now exceeds the Turkish Cypriot population.

The 2011 census states 37 per cent of permanent residents are from Turkey, but this number excludes their children if they were born in Cyprus and the vast number of immigrant workers not classified as permanent residence. Whether it is now or in a few years Turkish Cypriots will have been relegated to the status of 3rd largest ethnic group on the island, this will make it even more difficult for them to determine their own destiny.

2004 saw the accession of Republic of Cyprus into the EU and although this has not resulted in direct benefits to the north it has presented Turkish Cypriots, who all have a right to a Republic of Cyprus passport, the opportunity of free movement across the EU. This may seem positive but it opens up the possibility of an exodus of Turkish Cypriots from the island were there to be an economic crisis or an irreversible change in culture. One possible lifeline for the Turkish Cypriots is the protection that EU membership will offer them if there is a peace deal, therefore I believe that both communities must agree to a two-state confederation before the dream of reunification becomes an eternal sleep.

Izzet S Hickmet (In memory of Ayhan Hikmet who was assassinated by Turkish paramilitary group TMT on 23rd April 1962)

http://cyprus-mail.com/2015/05/17/why-t ... -cypriots/

[Sotos]

Isis is no threat to us. The threat are the Turks. It is the Turks that want our land, not Isis... and even if Isis wanted our land they couldn't get it since they have no navy and no airforce. So I will ask you again what SPECIFICALLY is Akinci going to offer to us that is so much better than what was offered so far? That is the ONLY thing that matters to us... we don't care at all about his publicity stands.

Actually, they are a threat to you.

You are not immune to International Terrorism considering the fact that there are numerous suitable targets on the island.

Further to this, if they win, they will develop a Navy and Air Force and they have already been making maps which include Cyprus as part of their Caliphate. Simply put, they have eyes on Cyprus.

And who is going to sell to them fighter jets and battleships? At most they will capture some old ones. Terrorist attacks maybe, but terrorist attacks can not result in 200.000 refugees and taking 1/3rd of Cyprus. Turkey is the real enemy of Cyprus, not ISIS.