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[Lordo]

Let's see what TCs say- here is a view by a TC journalist speaking to the Guardian yesterday:

"There is a sense that Turkey came and helped us in 1974, since then she wants us to keep paying for it. What we want to regain is our dignity" Esra Aigin.

I understand what she means, and guess that many if not most TCs wanted the same thing all along and resent being treated like an immature outpost of Turkey. The irony is that in this imbroglio the only player who sees things the same way is Greece. Not Turkey, not the GCs not even the British. Funny how things turn out sometimes!

in your dreams. leave the odd rouge journalist and what they say and listen to the real tcs, guarantee stays. you do believe in democracy dont you. it is a bloody greek word ffs.

Democracy and sovereignty go hand in hand. Cyprus has never had true sovereignty because of the guarantees and therefore no real democracy.

let me be direct if i can, we will never have what you call real democracy because you lot are arseholes. bbf with guarantees is the nearest you will get to it for now.

[Jerry]

Let's see what TCs say- here is a view by a TC journalist speaking to the Guardian yesterday:

"There is a sense that Turkey came and helped us in 1974, since then she wants us to keep paying for it. What we want to regain is our dignity" Esra Aigin.

I understand what she means, and guess that many if not most TCs wanted the same thing all along and resent being treated like an immature outpost of Turkey. The irony is that in this imbroglio the only player who sees things the same way is Greece. Not Turkey, not the GCs not even the British. Funny how things turn out sometimes!

in your dreams. leave the odd rouge journalist and what they say and listen to the real tcs, guarantee stays. you do believe in democracy dont you. it is a bloody greek word ffs.

Democracy and sovereignty go hand in hand. Cyprus has never had true sovereignty because of the guarantees and therefore no real democracy.

let me be direct if i can, we will never have what you call real democracy because you lot are arseholes. bbf with guarantees is the nearest you will get to it for now.

Thank God it's not your decision to make.

[Lordo]

you will then be all wised up when the tcs refuse the agreement if akinci agrees to remove them. you will never learn and nor will your leaders. to come out and say such a thing to gcs instead of preparing them for a compromise is criminal at best stupidity beyond belief at worst. its being going on for 60 years and you still have not learnt a thing.

how the hell can you as a gc dictate such a thing to a tc. what kind of arrogant control freaks are you people. have you learnt nothing from the a million istakes you have made in the last 60 years. aistonbela you pass as a moderate. moderate my left foot.

[Jerry]

you will then be all wised up when the tcs refuse the agreement if akinci agrees to remove them. you will never learn and nor will your leaders. to come out and say such a thing to gcs instead of preparing them for a compromise is criminal at best stupidity beyond belief at worst. its being going on for 60 years and you still have not learnt a thing.

how the hell can you as a gc dictate such a thing to a tc. what kind of arrogant control freaks are you people. have you learnt nothing from the a million istakes you have made in the last 60 years. aistonbela you pass as a moderate. moderate my left foot.

Not arrogant control freaks but the overwhelming majority who by the norms of democracy should not have to submit to the whims of an 18% minority or the fait accompli of the regions thug state.

[Lordo]

you decide what you like for yourself. the whole point of the agreement in 60 was to establish that we have rights as much as you do. you dont like what we want take your bit and do as you wish. you cannot dictate your ideology on anybody else. as i said 60 years and you have learnt zero. isasdin delya xerodjehali.

[Pyrpolizer]

http://www.interpeace.org/2011-08-08-15 ... ngs-cyprus

Greek Cypriots are particularly motivated by the prospect of achieving the departure of foreign troops from the island (98%) and achieving the termination of the guarantees and rights of intervention (96%). Turkish Cypriots are not keen to see the departure of foreign troops from the island (31%) and the termination of guarantees and rights of intervention (25%).

It seems some 25% TCs are not thaaaaat stupid

[Lordo]

http://www.interpeace.org/2011-08-08-15-19-20/latest-news/2010/112-poll-findings-cyprus

Greek Cypriots are particularly motivated by the prospect of achieving the departure of foreign troops from the island (98%) and achieving the termination of the guarantees and rights of intervention (96%). Turkish Cypriots are not keen to see the departure of foreign troops from the island (31%) and the termination of guarantees and rights of intervention (25%).

It seems some 25% TCs are not thaaaaat stupid

the questions or the results must have been translated by a gc. i expect the result of the tcs to be the opposite regarding guarantee. certainly the troops will go but the guarantee will stay simply because it is a contract signed by 5 entities and if one say no to scrapping them they cannot be scrapped. the whole basis of the agreement in 60 was that fact that it was guaranteed. remove that and the roc becomes the straw house of the three little piggies. ironic really because all the swine live south of the border. unless of course akinci decided he wants them scrapped in which case it is another matter but he has not said anything about that yet. and you boys brining it out into the open to put pressure on him is the most stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuupid thing you can do. this will ensure the fantics will rise to a level he will not be able to resist them. what do you know one is born every minute.

[Nikitas]

So you want about a thousand Greek troops to stay on the island forever! No accounting for taste.

More seriously, who guarantees what and to what extent is the open question. And would there not be an automatic guarantee by the federal government of the autonomous regions? It would be ironic to have guarantees from outside but no federal indigenous guarantees. Complications for no reason, but this is Cyprus, the simple way has never been a favorite.

[bill cobbett]

Well, according to an article in Phile, here's some current thinking (translation from kpdailynews) ...

"... “One of the scenarios put forward by the Turkish Side is that Turkey would be the guarantor of Turkish Cypriot constituent state.

However this is a much more risky system than the one already exists.

While some third parties want to include NATO in the picture, there is another view to increase EU’s and UN Security Council’s authority in Cyprus and to eliminate the guarantee system altogether” wrote the paper. ..."

[Lordo]

if i told you once i told you a million times. tcs will decide who will guarantee them and you do the samae.


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