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Re: The cradle of civilisation ... and now?

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue May 26, 2015 10:56 pm

Assad fights back...

http://imf.einnews.com/article/26739609 ... IptOe-XFkq

...one hopes that despite their differences, enemies can join to fight this enemy that threatens them all.

(the link won't work i found, but the article i read said that Assad attacks by air in Raqqa.)

...another article i stumbled upon while on the same site,

http://world.einnews.com/article/267365 ... YG1GaOzKD0
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Re: The cradle of civilisation ... and now?

Postby Lordo » Tue May 26, 2015 11:29 pm

it is no good supporting one side or the other, they are all bad. leave them alone. stop arming one side and they will sort out their differences. assad attacking isil position by air means civilian casualties. we have had over 200,000 thousand people murdered. enough is enough this killing has to stop.
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Re: The cradle of civilisation ... and now?

Postby Garavnoss » Tue May 26, 2015 11:58 pm

Whilst everyone is throwing their hands up in horror at the prospect of seeing the relics of the past destroyed, it might be a good idea to reflect upon the fact that these great works of [so called] ART are in fact representative of the great sufferings imposed upon the poor bastards who were forced to build them at the behest of those that ruled over them.

Slave labour was commonplace in the glory days of early civilisation and most of those who built these mighty monuments to their imposed cultures [and harsh rulers] were obliged to devote their entire lives engaged in their construction.

The END PRODUCT of their efforts [Today's Society] is testament to the fact that the idea of glorifying earthly deity's did not produce a fair and sustainable standard of existence for the populations of whichever culture followed the same ARTISTIC route, nor did the example it was supposed to set, prove to be a sound one for, had it done so, WE would not be in the predicament we are now in.

The destruction of these monuments [and relics] is seen as a great loss to WE who live in our comfortable cocoons and may consider ourselves privileged in that we may visit them in order to admire the cultures [long gone] which produced them, however, to a member of IS, they epitomise everything that is wrong with today's society and the destruction of the humble homes of those who are now engaged in battles for survival midst the turmoil they are forced to live in, is a far greater loss to THEM, for they seek only to create THEIR society and [in the process] bring about the total destruction of those reminders of the past which weigh upon us ALL to these current days ....Civilisation [as WE view it].

Good luck to IS, they are doing no less than the US is doing [destruction of a humble home is as great an evil as the destruction of an ancient monument] it's just that they are on the other side of the same coin, it's a coin that is spinning in the air at the moment and when it comes to rest on the ground, we may ALL be a little wiser than our ancestors.

In the eyes of the Almighty, the humble HOME is of greater value than the palatial one, perhaps WE may soon come to realise it.

Insha Allah.
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Re: The cradle of civilisation ... and now?

Postby Paphitis » Wed May 27, 2015 12:39 am

Garavnoss wrote:Whilst everyone is throwing their hands up in horror at the prospect of seeing the relics of the past destroyed, it might be a good idea to reflect upon the fact that these great works of [so called] ART are in fact representative of the great sufferings imposed upon the poor bastards who were forced to build them at the behest of those that ruled over them.

Slave labour was commonplace in the glory days of early civilisation and most of those who built these mighty monuments to their imposed cultures [and harsh rulers] were obliged to devote their entire lives engaged in their construction.

The END PRODUCT of their efforts [Today's Society] is testament to the fact that the idea of glorifying earthly deity's did not produce a fair and sustainable standard of existence for the populations of whichever culture followed the same ARTISTIC route, nor did the example it was supposed to set, prove to be a sound one for, had it done so, WE would not be in the predicament we are now in.

The destruction of these monuments [and relics] is seen as a great loss to WE who live in our comfortable cocoons and may consider ourselves privileged in that we may visit them in order to admire the cultures [long gone] which produced them, however, to a member of IS, they epitomise everything that is wrong with today's society and the destruction of the humble homes of those who are now engaged in battles for survival midst the turmoil they are forced to live in, is a far greater loss to THEM, for they seek only to create THEIR society and [in the process] bring about the total destruction of those reminders of the past which weigh upon us ALL to these current days ....Civilisation [as WE view it].

Good luck to IS, they are doing no less than the US is doing [destruction of a humble home is as great an evil as the destruction of an ancient monument] it's just that they are on the other side of the same coin, it's a coin that is spinning in the air at the moment and when it comes to rest on the ground, we may ALL be a little wiser than our ancestors.

In the eyes of the Almighty, the humble HOME is of greater value than the palatial one, perhaps WE may soon come to realise it.

Insha Allah.


Oh isn't that brilliant.

maybe we should also destroy the Pyramids.
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Re: The cradle of civilisation ... and now?

Postby Paphitis » Wed May 27, 2015 12:44 am

Tim Drayton wrote:More doubts being voiced about the Iraqi army, given the way they abandoned Ramadi. It is not what I want to hear at all, but we have to face facts, and they are that things are not going the right way.

(CNN) -The Iraqi army's willingness to let Ramadi fall to ISIS "surprised all of us," Deputy Prime Minister Saleh al-Mutlaq told CNN on Monday.

"It's not clear for us why such a unit, which was supposed to be trained by the Americans for years, and supposed to be one of the best units in the army, would withdraw from Ramadi in such a way."

"This is not the army that we are willing to see or we are expecting to see."

Al-Mutlaq, a Sunni who leads his own party and often criticizes Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi, spoke with CNN's Frederik Pleitgen on "Amanpour," a day after scathing criticism of the Iraqi military by U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter.


http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/25/world ... en-mutlaq/


I have concerns that the Iraqi Government would judge one of its units in this harsh manner.

Did they speak to the CO to ask him why? Maybe there was a tactical reason. Maybe they were outnumbered and the CO wanted to preserve his unit for a fight on an another day with much better and more favorable terms.
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Re: The cradle of civilisation ... and now?

Postby Lordo » Wed May 27, 2015 12:51 am

are the ausi soldiers out of bed yet, have they had their milk farleys.
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Re: The cradle of civilisation ... and now?

Postby Paphitis » Wed May 27, 2015 12:52 am

Lordo wrote:these are repeated failed policies of america to try to dominate the world by pretending to protect it. we were told if left unchecked the communists would overrun asia and beyond. after millions of deaths caused by american bombing they eventually left vietnam. all that was said was lies and double lies. no they are protecting us from the islamists. since the 50s they tried to control the middle east by supporting dictators and overthrowing legitimately elected governments to serve their own interests. it is now in a total mess. brother killing brother and neighbour killing neighbour. the sooner they leave the middle east the sooner the problem will be resolved. isil could not survive 5 minutes in the middle east if the sunis did not support it. america has to stop taking sides. yanks piss off home to mummy where you belong. stop drone attacks. obama should be ashamed of himself. what a crook.


You have no idea about Vietnam.

First of all, there was the recognized country of South Vietnam which the invaded and attacked by the VC from North Vietnam. The South had every legitimate right to defend itself as would South Korea if North Korea Invaded.

The Vietnam War was taking place many years before American and Australian Troops arrived.

The South Vietnamese, did not wish to be conquered by the Communists in the north and its not hard to work out why. This resulted in millions of refugees.

The VC were in fact very brutal, killing Vietnamese just because they were American supporters/dogs.

The millions dead (and I challenge that figure as hugely exaggerated), were not as a result of America or Australia. Sorry, but try again!
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Re: The cradle of civilisation ... and now?

Postby Paphitis » Wed May 27, 2015 12:54 am

Lordo wrote:are the ausi soldiers out of bed yet, have they had their milk farleys.


Oh yes they are out of bed and surrounding Ramadi, watching the operations unfold.

they will be entering Ramadi in a few hours.
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Re: The cradle of civilisation ... and now?

Postby Paphitis » Wed May 27, 2015 12:58 am

Lordo wrote:rhe xherodjehalo go away.

somebody described these people like a baloon. you squeeze one side and they pop up from another side. they will just dispensary and appear somewhere else.

the solution is staring you in the face, there is only one way to solve this. BBF with sunis able to run their own government.


Fucking don't think so.

There is only one legitimate and sovereign Iraq. No one has the right to be demanding a BBF or to partition a country of the UN.

Try again sunshine.
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Re: The cradle of civilisation ... and now?

Postby Lordo » Wed May 27, 2015 1:06 am

sooner or later iraq will split three ways and so will syria. the kurds will unite to a single zone if terggy allows it and bob is your uncle. in any case who created iraq. furquin ted heath when he was in the foreign ministry. did they ask the iraqis what they wanted.

you arsholes will never learn. leave the people alone and go back to your little mandra. everyone will be happier.
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