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[Maximus]

Let us be straight and to the point.

NO GUARANTEES, PERIOD.

We do not need them, the TCs are not in danger, those days have gone.

We should accept nothing less.

Let the TC's to speak for themself.....

The TCs have no voice, Turkey speaks for them. We speak for Cyprus. Guarantees will NOT be acceptable end of. If you want guarantees go live in Turkey where you belong.

Coming out with shit like that is clear for everyone to see that the TC's are indeed in need of a big brother guaranteeing their safety, security and well being. NO GUARANTOR NO CYPRUS SOLUTION.

Not a problem there MR. A solution will only suit you, not us.

I see it how it is,

The TC's expect a veto,
The TC's will think and probably will, knowingly or unknowingly abuse their veto across the "green line" (BBF). Some examples of how are below.
The TC's expect a share in everything or the GC's will not be able to do anything.
The TC's expect to keep their looted property and keep the GC's out of a part of their country.
The Tc's need a big brother that is not Cypriot so someone has their back. Therefore there probably will be no consequence if they do indeed decide to abuse the veto.
Turkey pulls the TC's strings.
The TC's are basically Turkish pariahs in Cyprus.

This is not an independent country that is a member of the European Union or a viable solution. The republic of Cyprus as it stands today is the only independent country here and she is occupied. She is occupied by an EU candidate country, and a mfew TC's that think the EU acquise applies to them in the rest of Europe but in Cyprus, they and Turkey call the shots. It was only a few weeks ago that we are hearing that Akinci was elected because the TC's want change. But nothing has changed. The TC's expect the GC's to do all the changing. for a much worse situation that does not suit or serve them and Cyprus as a whole. or is just not possible or viable in the grand scheme.

The TC's want to make gains in Cyprus on all fronts for themselves and Turkey or are happy to keep things as they are.

The only thing this is deserving of is 'Pi$$ off back to Turkey pal....'

The viable long term solution is for a full Turkish withdrawal from the island of Cyprus. Nothing else. No Guarantees no shares no veto's, but compensation from Turkey. Those that can, will stay. Those that cant or wont will be gone. Its this or nothing else and I don't see anything else for Cyprus.

[Lordo]

what do you mean want you illiterate swine.
we have the veto. if you have the balls by all means change the constitutions. i suspect you have a she-sto.

[Maximus]

what do you mean want you illiterate swine.
we have the veto. if you have the balls by all means change the constitutions. i suspect you have a she-sto.

You think you have the veto but in all reality you got a Turkish occupied zone of thief's, pirates and political rogues. Lordo, you have to understand that what you (your community as a whole) are asking for is not viable on so many fronts that it is just pathetic to sustain these politics. It does not matter how nicely you try and say it, your political leaders are asking for an apartheid and theft. This keeps you in 'legal limbo' and unrecognized.. YOU, yourselves because Turkey cant twist Cyprus's arm hard enough to get the GC's to agree to it.

You have to understand lordo that the veto did not and does not work. It is probably the main tool that helped bring about the inter communal violence, then the invasion and the problem as it is today. You have to understand that a role back to 1960 but divided is something that just will not happen. Its also foolish on so many fronts.

The TC's need to move away from veto's, guarantees, keeping GC stolen property, shares, apartheid, converting churches to mosques, etc If they are Cypriot. But I see it correctly, you want Cyprus and the GC's to become slaves to the few and frack wits like you and Turkey. that WILL be to the detriment of us all.

Pi$$ off back to Turkey pal and leave us all in peace..

[Nikitas]

This BBF thing is being promoted as a way around the veto. They tell us that the veto by one of the two constituent regions will not block action in the other one. I want to see how this will be expressed in the agreement being hatched by the negotiators.

The veto will be possible, they say, only in federal matters, ie things like the economy, ports, airports, foreign policy and so on. In other words there goes our standing in the EU since everything will be subject to equal participation and therefore Turkish whim in the EU and all other international forums (fora).

I suspect those that promote BBF the hardest will be the ones most pissed off when it comes about, because the very same people are the ones participating in the decision making process now and are used to wielding authority.

It will be a fun ride. For a while.

[Lordo]

This BBF thing is being promoted as a way around the veto. They tell us that the veto by one of the two constituent regions will not block action in the other one. I want to see how this will be expressed in the agreement being hatched by the negotiators.

The veto will be possible, they say, only in federal matters, ie things like the economy, ports, airports, foreign policy and so on. In other words there goes our standing in the EU since everything will be subject to equal participation and therefore Turkish whim in the EU and all other international forums (fora).

I suspect those that promote BBF the hardest will be the ones most pissed off when it comes about, because the very same people are the ones participating in the decision making process now and are used to wielding authority.

It will be a fun ride. For a while.

nobody said it is perfect. you have to stop chasing your tail first.

[Paphitis]

This BBF thing is being promoted as a way around the veto. They tell us that the veto by one of the two constituent regions will not block action in the other one. I want to see how this will be expressed in the agreement being hatched by the negotiators.

The veto will be possible, they say, only in federal matters, ie things like the economy, ports, airports, foreign policy and so on. In other words there goes our standing in the EU since everything will be subject to equal participation and therefore Turkish whim in the EU and all other international forums (fora).

I suspect those that promote BBF the hardest will be the ones most pissed off when it comes about, because the very same people are the ones participating in the decision making process now and are used to wielding authority.

It will be a fun ride. For a while.

nobody said it is perfect. you have to stop chasing your tail first.

hahahaha!

You make me laugh. There is not a country in the world that is absolutely perfect. America, Australia, any EU country, you name it.

This solution you seek is not only not perfect, but it is unworkable and will lead to the complete destruction of the Federation and Cyprus!

[repulsewarrior]

BBF in my mind is not that hard to understand,

As an Individual, you have an equal vote to any other Citizen, you vote as an Individual, as a Cypriot, there is no other distinction or discrimination. The Federal Government will be represented by whichever Leader wins a majority, based on Universal Principals. Its (this Government's) influence is exclusive in some matters, it provides the guidance that all Constituencies must equally respect and recognise, in all others.

As a Person, you have an equal vote as an elector, and by your choice of residence you will take the perspective of a Majority, or Minority, within a Constituency having as an Agenda, a distinct identity to sustain. All Cypriot Constituencies being equal, it (will be) is because there is a State where it is Freedom that is secured without compromise, and in this Liberty toward effecting our daily lives we choose to, respectfully.

...therefore, Zonally, geographically speaking, it is not hard to imagine a single country, a People because as Individuals they defend each other as such, where the people themselves define the relationship they have with its regions by there own perspective as Persons. Frankly, such thinking is useful in Cyprus, for Cypriots however they choose to see themselves, it is what holds a country like Canada together in any case, it would be just as useful in Turkey if you ask me, for the same reasons, and there are many conflicts which can find a resolution with these intentions (BBF) politically.

[Maximus]

BBF in my mind is not that hard to understand,

As an Individual, you have an equal vote to any other Citizen, you vote as an Individual, as a Cypriot, there is no other distinction or discrimination. The Federal Government will be represented by whichever Leader wins a majority, based on Universal Principals. Its (this Government's) influence is exclusive in some matters, it provides the guidance that all Constituencies must equally respect and recognise, in all others.

As a Person, you have an equal vote as an elector, and by your choice of residence you will take the perspective of a Majority, or Minority, within a Constituency having as an Agenda, a distinct identity to sustain. All Cypriot Constituencies being equal, it (will be) is because there is a State where it is Freedom that is secured without compromise, and in this Liberty toward effecting our daily lives we choose to, respectfully.

...therefore, Zonally, geographically speaking, it is not hard to imagine a single country, a People because as Individuals they defend each other as such, where the people themselves define the relationship they have with its regions by there own perspective as Persons. Frankly, such thinking is useful in Cyprus, for Cypriots however they choose to see themselves, it is what holds a country like Canada together in any case, it would be just as useful in Turkey if you ask me, for the same reasons, and there are many conflicts which can find a resolution with these intentions (BBF) politically.

There is no point having zones.

[Lordo]

BBF in my mind is not that hard to understand,

As an Individual, you have an equal vote to any other Citizen, you vote as an Individual, as a Cypriot, there is no other distinction or discrimination. The Federal Government will be represented by whichever Leader wins a majority, based on Universal Principals. Its (this Government's) influence is exclusive in some matters, it provides the guidance that all Constituencies must equally respect and recognise, in all others.

As a Person, you have an equal vote as an elector, and by your choice of residence you will take the perspective of a Majority, or Minority, within a Constituency having as an Agenda, a distinct identity to sustain. All Cypriot Constituencies being equal, it (will be) is because there is a State where it is Freedom that is secured without compromise, and in this Liberty toward effecting our daily lives we choose to, respectfully.

...therefore, Zonally, geographically speaking, it is not hard to imagine a single country, a People because as Individuals they defend each other as such, where the people themselves define the relationship they have with its regions by there own perspective as Persons. Frankly, such thinking is useful in Cyprus, for Cypriots however they choose to see themselves, it is what holds a country like Canada together in any case, it would be just as useful in Turkey if you ask me, for the same reasons, and there are many conflicts which can find a resolution with these intentions (BBF) politically.

There is no point having zones.

asshole

[Maximus]

BBF in my mind is not that hard to understand,

As an Individual, you have an equal vote to any other Citizen, you vote as an Individual, as a Cypriot, there is no other distinction or discrimination. The Federal Government will be represented by whichever Leader wins a majority, based on Universal Principals. Its (this Government's) influence is exclusive in some matters, it provides the guidance that all Constituencies must equally respect and recognise, in all others.

As a Person, you have an equal vote as an elector, and by your choice of residence you will take the perspective of a Majority, or Minority, within a Constituency having as an Agenda, a distinct identity to sustain. All Cypriot Constituencies being equal, it (will be) is because there is a State where it is Freedom that is secured without compromise, and in this Liberty toward effecting our daily lives we choose to, respectfully.

...therefore, Zonally, geographically speaking, it is not hard to imagine a single country, a People because as Individuals they defend each other as such, where the people themselves define the relationship they have with its regions by there own perspective as Persons. Frankly, such thinking is useful in Cyprus, for Cypriots however they choose to see themselves, it is what holds a country like Canada together in any case, it would be just as useful in Turkey if you ask me, for the same reasons, and there are many conflicts which can find a resolution with these intentions (BBF) politically.

There is no point having zones.

asshole

what is the of it?