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[Lordo]

well you aint going to win any grand prix for that thought.

[Paphitis]

What I'm saying is, I don't think Cameron wants the UK out of the EU

Well, it has already started.

Britain wants ’fast’ European Union settlement - FT quotes Hammond

Britain wants to reach a new settlement with the European Union as fast as possible, Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said, the Financial Times reported on Friday.
Prime Minister David Cameron, who won an outright majority in a general election last week, has pledged to renegotiate Britain's ties with Europe before giving voters an in-out referendum on EU membership by the end of 2017.
Hammond, speaking on the sidelines of a meeting of NATO foreign ministers in Turkey, made clear that change to the bloc's founding treaties, which is opposed by some EU leaders, was not, in itself, a political goal for his Conservative government.

He said the timing of the renegotiation would depend "entirely on our partners", the FT reported.
"If they enthusiastically embrace the agenda ...we would move as fast as possible," he said.

The FT said one option could see EU leaders issuing a decision that has binding force under international law but in effect postdates treaty change.
"That is how I want this process to end up: a good package of reforms; a 'yes' vote; and a step change in the way the relationship works, with Britain being really engaged and a loud voice in the union," Hammond said.

Hammond said he aimed to support the campaign for keeping Britain in the EU.

http://www.todayszaman.com/world_britai ... 80747.html

Now let's see how many Tories defect to UKIP.

They will change their tune a bit after that! It's not as if Cameron has a huge margin now and all it takes is one or two to defect and the tide might not stop.

[Tim Drayton]

Granted, there are wacko little Englanders in the Tory ranks. However, if they perceive defection to UKIP to be a step into the political wilderness, most of them will probably prefer the cosy life of a backbencher in a mainstream party in which they have a good chance of being re-elected to risking political annihilation. It is all a question of momentum, and UKIP is losing that at the moment.

[Lordo]

anybody who was going to migrate to uk would have done it by now.

[Paphitis]

Granted, there are wacko little Englanders in the Tory ranks. However, if they perceive defection to UKIP to be a step into the political wilderness, most of them will probably prefer the cosy life of a backbencher in a mainstream party in which they have a good chance of being re-elected to risking political annihilation. It is all a question of momentum, and UKIP is losing that at the moment.

You call them eacko little Englanders.

But a few days ago you posted that you respected Australia for its egalitarianism which does not exist in the UK. It is true, that Britain and Australia are very different.

Australians are also very Nationalistic and parochial. They think that everything Australian is the best in the world. They believe they are the best country in the world. They believe their Football is the best sport in the world. They would literally have kittens if Australia joined something like the EU.

Americans, Canadians and Kiwis are similar.

Maybe, this block of Tories are just of similar mindset.

In fact, I know this mindset exists in the UK. The same mindset in America and Canada. Germany and Australia have the same mindset. It's only that why would the Germans leave when they actually rule the roost.

European Union of Germania!

[Tim Drayton]

Exactly, I voted Labour because I want to see the UK becoming more egalitarian.

[Tim Drayton]

... They would literally have kittens if Australia joined something like the EU. ...

So, the man in the street doesn't know about the AANZFTA?

[Paphitis]

Exactly, I voted Labour because I want to see the UK becoming more egalitarian.

Weren't the previous Labor Governments successful?

[Paphitis]

... They would literally have kittens if Australia joined something like the EU. ...

So, the man in the street doesn't know about the AANZFTA?

Yes many people know, but that is only a FTA.

There is another one which includes Japan, USA, and Canada but again its only a FTA. APEC.

In fact there are even FTAs with most of the EU countries, which means Australia enjoys the benefits of Free Trade, but with complete autonomy, something which is not afforded to anyone else.

For instance, if Australia racked up a debt like Greece did, then we could manipulate and circumvent it in many ways.