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... However, if there is a settlement of the Cyprus problem involving the creation of a federal state having Greek and Turkish as its official language, and a Greek Cypriot statelet having Greek as its official language, and a Turkish Cypriot statelet having Turkish as its official language, it is pretty obvious to my mind ....

Oh, wouldn't you just love that! The Imperialist-British dream solution!

Cyprus didn't go into the EU to set up "Turkish statelets" to complete the nonsense that Imperialist-Britain imposed upon us in 1960!

How do you envisage the bi-communal, bi-zonal federal solution that is on the negotiating table?

It'll never work and will not be voted in. Regardless of what the UN and others are trying to pressurise us to accept.

The is the most racist set up ever and not in line with the EU primary laws. This is just another fucked up system to be imposed and the 1960's problems will just come back.

[Tim Drayton]

... However, if there is a settlement of the Cyprus problem involving the creation of a federal state having Greek and Turkish as its official language, and a Greek Cypriot statelet having Greek as its official language, and a Turkish Cypriot statelet having Turkish as its official language, it is pretty obvious to my mind ....

Oh, wouldn't you just love that! The Imperialist-British dream solution!

Cyprus didn't go into the EU to set up "Turkish statelets" to complete the nonsense that Imperialist-Britain imposed upon us in 1960!

This is known as an ad hominem argument where, incapable of addressing the arguments, you attack the person making them or what you assume to be their motives. In fact, the issue at debate is not whether I or you favour a bi-communal, bi-zonal federal settlement, but rather if there were to be such a settlement, whether this would lead to Turkish becoming an official EU language. Given:

1. A bi-communal, bi-zonal federal settlement (regardless of whether or not one favours such a settlement) will see the establishment of a federal state whose official languages will be Greek and Turkish, and the establishment of two statelets or cantons or whatever they will be called, one of whose official and working language will be Turkish, and

2. Provision has been made in one of the protocols to Cyprus' EU accession which provides for the temporary suspension of the acquis communautaire in the area of the island whereby “In the event of a settlement, the Council, acting unanimously on the basis of a proposal from the Commission, shall decide on the adaptations to the terms concerning the accession of Cyprus to the European Union with regard to the Turkish Cypriot Community,”

it appears to me certain that one such measure will be the adoption of the official and working language of one of the two statelets as an official EU language. Perhaps it appears different to others.

Leaving that aside, this is a fruitless debate because, as I have shown above, the adoption or non-adoption by the EU of a language as an official language has nothing to do with whether or not the EU recognises a language as being official in any particular country. I see no evidence that the EU has any other policy than recognise as official the languages so recognised by each country.

[Tim Drayton]

... However, if there is a settlement of the Cyprus problem involving the creation of a federal state having Greek and Turkish as its official language, and a Greek Cypriot statelet having Greek as its official language, and a Turkish Cypriot statelet having Turkish as its official language, it is pretty obvious to my mind ....

Oh, wouldn't you just love that! The Imperialist-British dream solution!

Cyprus didn't go into the EU to set up "Turkish statelets" to complete the nonsense that Imperialist-Britain imposed upon us in 1960!

How do you envisage the bi-communal, bi-zonal federal solution that is on the negotiating table?

It'll never work and will not be voted in. Regardless of what the UN and others are trying to pressurise us to accept.

The is the most racist set up ever and not in line with the EU primary laws. This is just another fucked up system to be imposed and the 1960's problems will just come back.

You haven't answered the question. I am not asking if you support it or if you think it will work. If you do not think that my description of what will result as "the creation of a federal state having Greek and Turkish as its official language, and a Greek Cypriot statelet having Greek as its official language, and a Turkish Cypriot statelet having Turkish as its official language" is correct, please describe the federal state that you envisage will result. Thank you.

[Tim Drayton]

Could you imagine if somebody posted a historic multilingual Swiss train ticket on a website devoted to Switzerland, some fundamentalist German-Swiss nationalist (German speakers being in the majority), indoctrinated from birth with blind hatred against the other Swiss ethnic groups, would use this as an excuse to launch a diatribe against the other official languages of the country? It is inconceivable. The result? The Swiss live in peace, prosperity and harmony in a country none of which is under foreign occupation.

[MR-from-NG]

... However, if there is a settlement of the Cyprus problem involving the creation of a federal state having Greek and Turkish as its official language, and a Greek Cypriot statelet having Greek as its official language, and a Turkish Cypriot statelet having Turkish as its official language, it is pretty obvious to my mind ....

Oh, wouldn't you just love that! The Imperialist-British dream solution!

Cyprus didn't go into the EU to set up "Turkish statelets" to complete the nonsense that Imperialist-Britain imposed upon us in 1960!

How do you envisage the bi-communal, bi-zonal federal solution that is on the negotiating table?

It'll never work and will not be voted in. Regardless of what the UN and others are trying to pressurise us to accept.

The is the most racist set up ever and not in line with the EU primary laws. This is just another fucked up system to be imposed and the 1960's problems will just come back.

You haven't answered the question. I am not asking if you support it or if you think it will work. If you do not think that my description of what will result as "the creation of a federal state having Greek and Turkish as its official language, and a Greek Cypriot statelet having Greek as its official language, and a Turkish Cypriot statelet having Turkish as its official language" is correct, please describe the federal state that you envisage will result. Thank you.

These racist people are incapable of answering such questions Tim. More often than not they'll come back saying we invaded in 1571 and shouldn't even be here. I visit many forums, political, motoring, aviation, health to name but a few, I have not seen anything like what I see on this forum. The GC's are in a different league altogether. I must admit it frightens me at times knowing my community is only a stone throw away from such dangerous people.

[GreekIslandGirl]

... However, if there is a settlement of the Cyprus problem involving the creation of a federal state having Greek and Turkish as its official language, and a Greek Cypriot statelet having Greek as its official language, and a Turkish Cypriot statelet having Turkish as its official language, it is pretty obvious to my mind ....

Oh, wouldn't you just love that! The Imperialist-British dream solution!

Cyprus didn't go into the EU to set up "Turkish statelets" to complete the nonsense that Imperialist-Britain imposed upon us in 1960!

How do you envisage the bi-communal, bi-zonal federal solution that is on the negotiating table?

If that's what we wanted, the solution would have happened long ago and before and without need to join the EU (at such great price) to support us for a Just solution - as other sovereign states expect.

[GreekIslandGirl]

... However, if there is a settlement of the Cyprus problem involving the creation of a federal state having Greek and Turkish as its official language, and a Greek Cypriot statelet having Greek as its official language, and a Turkish Cypriot statelet having Turkish as its official language, it is pretty obvious to my mind ....

Oh, wouldn't you just love that! The Imperialist-British dream solution!

Cyprus didn't go into the EU to set up "Turkish statelets" to complete the nonsense that Imperialist-Britain imposed upon us in 1960!

This is known as an ad hominem argument where, incapable of addressing the arguments,

I didn't comment on you ( as a person) at all but addressed what I thought on what you wrote.

But, deflect away ....

[shmuel16]

[Tim Drayton]

These racist people are incapable of answering such questions Tim. More often than not they'll come back saying we invaded in 1571 and shouldn't even be here. I visit many forums, political, motoring, aviation, health to name but a few, I have not seen anything like what I see on this forum. The GC's are in a different league altogether. I must admit it frightens me at times knowing my community is only a stone throw away from such dangerous people.

The thing is, MR-from-NG, that I live in Limassol in an ordinary suburb in a flat where all my neighbours are Greek Cypriot, and I do not find the people I encounter in my daily life here like this at all. In fact, I was once chatting to one of my neighbour's fathers, who is a refugee, and mentioned that I could speak Turkish, half expecting to get a punch, but instead he started speaking to me in fluent Turkish - it seems he grew up in a mixed village. I had another interesting experience not long ago at a cafeteria in the centre of Limassol. I manged to use my faultering Greek to order a cup of tea. A very elderly Greek Cypriot man was standing beside me, and next to him was a tap where you can pour yourself some water into a plastic cup if you want one. This old man poured me some water into a cup and passed it to me, saying something incomprehensible. Seeing my puzzlement, he repeated the same thing, but I still couldn't understand and just thanked him. However, when I sat down at a table, it suddenly struck me what that old fellow had said. It was 'su isten?' I am sure of it. 'Do you want water, and in non-standard Cypriot Turkish to boot. That chap, hearing somebody struggle to speak Greek, assumed that I was a Turkish Cypriot and spoke to me in what he thought was my language. I think there are many Greek Cypriot people who have no problems accepting the bilingual (or even multilingual) character of Cyprus. Some of the fanatics, here, are scary, though, and make you wonder if peace can ever come to Cyprus.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Could you imagine if somebody posted a historic multilingual Swiss train ticket on a website devoted to Switzerland, some fundamentalist German-Swiss nationalist (German speakers being in the majority), indoctrinated from birth with blind hatred against the other Swiss ethnic groups, would use this as an excuse to launch a diatribe against the other official languages of the country? It is inconceivable. The result? The Swiss live in peace, prosperity and harmony in a country none of which is under foreign occupation.

Well, there's the rub ...