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Re: Congratulations Cameron!

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 08, 2015 7:39 am

Tim Drayton wrote:Another factor seems to be that, with the SNP leading in the polls, they could then scare the electorate in the rest of the country with the prospect of a Labour party being kept in power, and thus dominated by, the nationalists. I agree that this was a scary prospect, and the pundits are already suggesting that this factor made a big contribution towards Labour's below par performance.


My prediction is that this is a protest vote, and that the SNP should fizzle out in which case Labor we begin to reclaim its lost heartland.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Fri May 08, 2015 8:57 am

I am not so sure. Of course, the SNP - I remember them being nicknamed the 'tartan tories' many years ago when they first started to establish themselves on the electoral map - positioned themselves as being more radically progressive than Labour, which helps to explain their success in solidly left-wing places.

I don't think this is a passing phenomenon and I think there is a good chance I will see an independent Scotland in my life time.
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Re: Congratulations Cameron!

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri May 08, 2015 9:01 am

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Is it a foregone conclusion that the SNP will go into coalition with Cameron?



That's impossible. It would be total suicide for them. Ever since Thatcher annihilated Scotland in the 1980's the Tories have been anathema there. And they once had some real strongholds in moneyed, suburban areas. I am old enough to remember Teddy Taylor and his impregnable citadel for the Tories in Cathcart South, Glasgow.
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Re: Congratulations Cameron!

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 08, 2015 9:35 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Is it a foregone conclusion that the SNP will go into coalition with Cameron?



That's impossible. It would be total suicide for them. Ever since Thatcher annihilated Scotland in the 1980's the Tories have been anathema there. And they once had some real strongholds in moneyed, suburban areas. I am old enough to remember Teddy Taylor and his impregnable citadel for the Tories in Cathcart South, Glasgow.


I thought so!

The SNP will destroy themselves if they went with Cameron. The SNP will be better off on their own with 56 seats.

The Liberal Democrats got demolished too. So Cameron will need to make further allegiances with someone else. Actually, it would appear Cameron might be able to form Government all on his lonesome.
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Re: Congratulations Cameron!

Postby Jerry » Fri May 08, 2015 9:45 am

"It's the economy stupid", I forget who said that but that's what produced the election result. I have never voted Conservative in my life but I don't trust Labour with the economy, I never thought I would be glad to see Cameron back in but he is better than the alternative. In one sense Labour lost the election rather than Tories won it, "boy" Milliband is not PM material, I could never imagine him leading the country. Had Ed's brother been Labour leader I'm sure we would have had a hung Parliament, now he will resign but who is "big" enough to replace him?

With regard to Turkey/Cyprus, I recall Cameron dashing off to see Erdogan soon after his election in 2010, I bet he's not in a hurry to repeat that trip.
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Re: Congratulations Cameron!

Postby Jerry » Fri May 08, 2015 9:48 am

Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Is it a foregone conclusion that the SNP will go into coalition with Cameron?



That's impossible. It would be total suicide for them. Ever since Thatcher annihilated Scotland in the 1980's the Tories have been anathema there. And they once had some real strongholds in moneyed, suburban areas. I am old enough to remember Teddy Taylor and his impregnable citadel for the Tories in Cathcart South, Glasgow.


I thought so!

The SNP will destroy themselves if they went with Cameron. The SNP will be better off on their own with 56 seats.

The Liberal Democrats got demolished too. So Cameron will need to make further allegiances with someone else.


It looks like he will have an overall majority of 3. All of the other parties and a few Tory backbenchers will have conspire together to win a vote against the Government, that's unlikely.
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Re: Congratulations Cameron!

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 08, 2015 9:51 am

Jerry wrote:"It's the economy stupid", I forget who said that but that's what produced the election result. I have never voted Conservative in my life but I don't trust Labour with the economy, I never thought I would be glad to see Cameron back in but he is better than the alternative. In one sense Labour lost the election rather than Tories won it, "boy" Milliband is not PM material, I could never imagine him leading the country. Had Ed's brother been Labour leader I'm sure we would have had a hung Parliament, now he will resign but who is "big" enough to replace him?

With regard to Turkey/Cyprus, I recall Cameron dashing off to see Erdogan soon after his election in 2010, I bet he's not in a hurry to repeat that trip.


Milliband is a boy trying to do a Man's job.

It seems as though the Conservative side of politics are who people trust with the economy whilst the Left side can only be trusted in steering the country to bankruptcy! :lol:
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Re: Congratulations Cameron!

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri May 08, 2015 10:26 am

Jerry wrote:"It's the economy stupid", I forget who said that but that's what produced the election result. I have never voted Conservative in my life but I don't trust Labour with the economy, I never thought I would be glad to see Cameron back in but he is better than the alternative. In one sense Labour lost the election rather than Tories won it, "boy" Milliband is not PM material, I could never imagine him leading the country. Had Ed's brother been Labour leader I'm sure we would have had a hung Parliament, now he will resign but who is "big" enough to replace him?

With regard to Turkey/Cyprus, I recall Cameron dashing off to see Erdogan soon after his election in 2010, I bet he's not in a hurry to repeat that trip.


I hear what you are saying Jerry, and within the capitalist paradigm the UK really needs to go on running a tight ship and repaying debt, and with the Middle East in turmoil those of us who believe in Western civilisation need to see the leading Western countries strong. On the other hand, if you look back at Conservative Prime-Ministers since the 1970's, we had Ted Heath, Margaret Thatcher and John Major ... all people from outside the traditional elite. Look at the top of the Tories now and you see a clique of ex-Etonian toffs. I have a fear that this is part of a greater trend that is seeing us return to the kind of rigid class system that we last saw about 300 years ago when the industrial revolution created new money and this posed a challenge to the old upper class.

Speaking for myself, I am happy to say that I used my postal vote in the rather odd system set up so as to no longer disenfranchise British citizens permanently resident in other EU countries that permits you to vote in the last UK constituency you resided in, and my vote was one of the 465 that permitted Labour to take Brentford and Isleworth from the tories by a very slender margin, and I am glad about that.
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Re: Congratulations Cameron!

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri May 08, 2015 10:28 am

I predict Douglas Carswell will be the new leader of the closet fascists. Anybody agree? From the information I have been able to gather, he seems exceptionally sharp.
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Re: Congratulations Cameron!

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri May 08, 2015 10:37 am

It turns out that the oldest voter in the UK election was the 102-year-old naturalised British citizen, Ayşe İçöz, who is from Diyarbakır in Turkey and is almost certainly Kurdish, and who voted in the Cambridge constituency.

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