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[Pyrpolizer]

you see what i mean. they now believe before 1963 terggy armed all the tmt with automatic weapons tanks and warplanes.

when i get back home we shall have a thread on the kinds of weapons roc had and tcs had. there is plenty of photographic evidence as to who had what. especially when the gcs had the ports and tcs and the went home at midnight and left the ports unguarded before 1963 and of course there is the time after 63 when 12,000 greak soldiers dressed up as women which is the usual way they dress anyway so as not arouse suspicion and landed in limassol in the dead of night. of course what else they arroused once they landed is anybodies guess as we know what an average gc is like. of course this did not in anyway effect the constitution. gcs were perfectly right in inviting 12,000 soldiers from greace any time they liked withing the constitution. butter would not melt in the gcs mouth as it were. assholes.

Lordo you think we are ignorant?
FACT:from 1960 upto 1962 the GC side was virtually armless. The Tc side was importing tons of weapons. Ask yourself why....

[Lordo]

you see what i mean. they now believe before 1963 terggy armed all the tmt with automatic weapons tanks and warplanes.

when i get back home we shall have a thread on the kinds of weapons roc had and tcs had. there is plenty of photographic evidence as to who had what. especially when the gcs had the ports and tcs and the went home at midnight and left the ports unguarded before 1963 and of course there is the time after 63 when 12,000 greak soldiers dressed up as women which is the usual way they dress anyway so as not arouse suspicion and landed in limassol in the dead of night. of course what else they arroused once they landed is anybodies guess as we know what an average gc is like. of course this did not in anyway effect the constitution. gcs were perfectly right in inviting 12,000 soldiers from greace any time they liked withing the constitution. butter would not melt in the gcs mouth as it were. assholes.

Lordo you think we are ignorant?
FACT:from 1960 upto 1962 the GC side was virtually armless. The Tc side was importing tons of weapons. Ask yourself why....

really, are you sure. so when did the 12,000 greek soldiers manage to end up in cyprus before 1963 and also who is to say what came through the ports. who was in control of the ports especially after the manager of the port sent the tcs home after midnight. was there no activity in the ports about importing arms. you think i was born yesterday. eggs teach grandmother and suck and dont comes to mind but not necessarily in that order.

[Pyrpolizer]

you see what i mean. they now believe before 1963 terggy armed all the tmt with automatic weapons tanks and warplanes.

when i get back home we shall have a thread on the kinds of weapons roc had and tcs had. there is plenty of photographic evidence as to who had what. especially when the gcs had the ports and tcs and the went home at midnight and left the ports unguarded before 1963 and of course there is the time after 63 when 12,000 greak soldiers dressed up as women which is the usual way they dress anyway so as not arouse suspicion and landed in limassol in the dead of night. of course what else they arroused once they landed is anybodies guess as we know what an average gc is like. of course this did not in anyway effect the constitution. gcs were perfectly right in inviting 12,000 soldiers from greace any time they liked withing the constitution. butter would not melt in the gcs mouth as it were. assholes.

Lordo you think we are ignorant?
FACT:from 1960 upto 1962 the GC side was virtually armless. The Tc side was importing tons of weapons. Ask yourself why....

really, are you sure. so when did the 12,000 greek soldiers manage to end up in cyprus before 1963 and also who is to say what came through the ports. who was in control of the ports especially after the manager of the port sent the tcs home after midnight. was there no activity in the ports about importing arms. you think i was born yesterday. eggs teach grandmother and suck and dont comes to mind but not necessarily in that order.

Of course I am sure and if you want search here and you will find it.
http://www.cyprus-conflict.net

It was by the end of 1962 that Makarios realized what was going on with the constant built up of TC armaments that he started importing guns in a hurry. He did not even have the time to form an organized body when the events of 1963 started. In fact all armed GCs in 1963 were actually irregulars, ex-Eoka fighters who contrary to the majority did not surrender their guns after independence. The Greek soldiers arrived in 1964 soon after the National guard was formed. Whether they arrived through ports or not is irrelevant.

The truth is it is YOUR side that was building armaments from 1960 to 1962, whereas the vast majority of Eoka fighters have surrendered their arms immediately after independence.Up the end of 1962 the GC side was actually armless!

[Lordo]

that is bullshit and you know it.

akritas plan was hatched in 1960 with every intention to get the tcs to rise so they can be crushed in just a few days and walla problem would be solved. if you are telling me they planed for an uprising but did not bring in arms for themselves then i tell you who ever told you is liar. no ifs no buts.

i realise that grivas was the most incompetent soldier ever in the world but he was not that stupid. dont worry i have pictures of the tanks you boys built not that you needed them because eldyk joined you in the attack. i am very surprised at what you are saying. i thought you a wise man, sadly i was mistaken,

[Nikitas]

Akritas plan, the big secret that everone seems to know. There is the counter plan too, the Bairka Bozkur plan, conceived and implemented by Turkish officers in cooperation with TMT. I found out about it from a published TC source.

This is the problem with keeping mainland troops on the island. That is what army people do all day, they make plans, covering possible contingencies. If you look in the files of the SBAs it is more than probable you will find plans there too for all kinds of weird contingencies.

Lordo, you love the scenario of the bad Greeks whose only aim in life was to impose Enosis. You need that scenario to justify the Partition and Enosis you have in the trunc.

The fact is, and I posted above the source of the evidence, that the Greek division in Cyprus was there with the full knowledge of Turkey and the USA and its real purpose was internal, not external. And ask yourself, how it is that this division, the biggest center of military power on the island from 1964 to 1968 did not enter one single clash. The fighting was always done by GC irregulars and later the National Guard.

As for your photographic evidence of the arms, I did that some months ago for a report. It is published in Greek, and proves what I posted above, the Cypriots on both sides were armed deliberately with antique weapons for a reason, to keep the intensity of the fighting low and to be undergunned if faced with the "motherland" forces. It is no accident that the arrival of Czech arms was "discovered" by the UN through Greek supplied information.

Those weapons remained unused in storage and reports say they were recently sold to a dealer in the USA who is going to retail them as "mint condition" a description fully legal under the sale of goods law of the USA, because they are new and unused.

If you want more technical info, these were the Czch version of the AK, but highly regarded by collectors because unlike the rest of the Warsaw Pact production, they have machined, not cheap stamped parts.

[Pyrpolizer]

that is bullshit and you know it.

akritas plan was hatched in 1960 with every intention to get the tcs to rise so they can be crushed in just a few days and walla problem would be solved. if you are telling me they planed for an uprising but did not bring in arms for themselves then i tell you who ever told you is liar. no ifs no buts.

i realise that grivas was the most incompetent soldier ever in the world but he was not that stupid. dont worry i have pictures of the tanks you boys built not that you needed them because eldyk joined you in the attack. i am very surprised at what you are saying. i thought you a wise man, sadly i was mistaken,

the Akritas plan was written in 1963...
You are very confused of the dates and events.

The fact that the TC side was really more militarily organized than the GC side showed up in 1963 when within hours they got control of the area north of Nicosia upto the top of the mountain at St Hilarion
Grivas and the National guard were formed in 1964.

[Lordo]

you are so funny i never laughed so much i nearly chocked. stop it.

[Pyrpolizer]

you are so funny i never laughed so much i nearly chocked. stop it.

That's because you 've been fed too much of a laughing gas during your brain washing process.

[Lordo]

you are so funny i never laughed so much i nearly chocked. stop it.

this is interesting.

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/akritas_plan.html

The rising tensions of the early 1960s spurred the formation of paramilitary groups on both sides, and as the constitutional crisis came to a head in 1962-63, both prepared for violence. The Greek Cypriots were better armed and more ideologically driven, and appeared to welcome the crisis---possibly including Makarios's Thirteen Points, which it sets out as a course of action---as a likely provocation to Turkish Cypriots. An expected reaction from the Turkish Cypriot community, either to Makarios's constitutional gambit or some other incident, would in turn set the Greek Cypriot cadres into action. The plan for that action, revealed by a Greek Cypriot newspaper after the fact, was the so-called Akritas Plan, which is reproduced below.


a lie will always surface sooner or later. it is inside the document you boys put up.

so you reackon soon after 1960 is 1963. you are an arshole.

[Nikitas]

Lordo, since you are up on secret plans, tell us about the Bayrak Bozkur plan, when it was conceived, by who, and how it was implemented. Seeing the situation today which plan do you think took final shape?

Here is some help to guide your thoughts-

"I had set up the TMT with a few friends...Everybody thought that I was the leader, but I was not. I was political advisor. Immediately after forming it I handed it over... The leaders were former army officers from Turkey."
(The Times, 20.1.1978)

Dr Kuchuk takes up the story with an account of how Riza Vurushkan came to Cyprus from Turkey to lead TMT.
"Year 1957...in order to give daily reports to Ankara...and to secure aid from Turkey I used to go to Ankara very frequently. During one of these visits, the late Prime Minister of Turkey, Adnan Menderes, introduced Riza Vurushkan to me...Later I met him at the office of a Lieutenant General and talked with him there. During our meeting it was decided that Vurushkan should come to
Cyprus as "civilian adviser". He arrived in Cyprus under an assumed name and settled down here."
(Halkin Sesi, 16.2.1979)

TMT incited anti-Greek riots and tried to force Turkish Cypriot workers to establish separate trade unions.

Murder, arson and intimidation were the means that TMT used in order to prove that Greek and Turkish Cypriots could not live together. The victims were trade unionists, journalists and ordinary Turkish Cypriots who resisted TMT's call.

After the signing of the Zurich and London Agreements in 1959, which led to the independence of Cyprus, TMT continued its clandestine activities in the cause of dividing Cyprus, and was to continue until 1984 as Mr Ozgur was to
reveal.

In October, 1959, seven months after the signing of the agreements on Cyprus independence, the British mine-sweeper HMS Burmaston intercepted the Turkish
boat "Deniz" as it was attempting to deliver a shipment of arms to TMT in Cyprus.
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So in 1959 the Deniz delivers arms and the GCs are supposed to sit back and watch, and not draft the Akritas plan a year later (according to your calendar of events).