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[Lordo]

you must have an idea.1, 3, 5 , 6.5 , 7. how many did you see. who supplied is another matter, it certainly was not the terggish government. you should first ask who financed the deep-sate of terggy and greace. and then you will run a serious risk of knowing something worthwhile about the cyprus problem

The point is, these machine guns were in circulation in the hands of the TCs and that they were not using only shotguns.

Turkey supplied the weapons to the TCs just as Turkey is now supplying weapons to the opposition in Syria. What does it matter from whom Turkey got these weapons?

it is not just a matter supply my dear fellow is it. it is a matter of fiance. who financed them.

you see there fools here that claim that terggy armed the tcs before 63 and palnned the uprising. totally ignoring what it says in akritas plan. and you help them in their ignorance.

[Kikapu]

you must have an idea.1, 3, 5 , 6.5 , 7. how many did you see. who supplied is another matter, it certainly was not the terggish government. you should first ask who financed the deep-sate of terggy and greace. and then you will run a serious risk of knowing something worthwhile about the cyprus problem

The point is, these machine guns were in circulation in the hands of the TCs and that they were not using only shotguns.

Turkey supplied the weapons to the TCs just as Turkey is now supplying weapons to the opposition in Syria. What does it matter from whom Turkey got these weapons?

it is not just a matter supply my dear fellow is it. it is a matter of fiance. who financed them.

you see there fools here that claim that terggy armed the tcs before 63 and palnned the uprising. totally ignoring what it says in akritas plan. and you help them in their ignorance.

So what you are saying is, we should ONLY accept what you have seen as far as weapons goes and not say anything about the weapons I saw. Is that it?

[Nikitas]

The BBC and ITV have lots of news reels from the conflict of 1963-4 and the Kofinou incident later. The arms held by both sides are about the same, mostly WWII vintage rifles, light machine guns and sub machine guns. In some cases, like the low grade neighborhood conflicts you will see in Larnaca and Limassol, men dressed in their everyday clothes, including the ubiquitous "cabardinas" every Cypriot man owned, take pot shots at each other with shotguns. These new reels are revealing of the level of the conflict. We could not even have a proper civil war if left to our own devices.

The irony is that we are overlooking real evidence, in the form of testimony from those that were involved, contained in the Cyprus file investigation carried out by the RoC parliament. The major objective of the forces on both sides was not to crush the other side. If that had been the objective the arms supplied would have been of higher qiality and capacity. The objective was to subdue their own populations in the event of an agreed double union and against an unarmed population WWII junk waas quite effective. It was enough but not too much so as to pose a threat to the units of the "motherlands", who were armed with automatic rifles and had air back up if they needed it. Read it, it is interesting stuff.

RIK carried an interview with parliament member Sizopoulos who presented the findings of parliament, what is usually called the Cyprus File, and it was riveting stuff. I think it is posted on youtube but unfortunately it is not subtitled.

Also fascinating is the fact that the Greek parliament carried out an investigation which did not publish its findings because of the risk of harm to national interests. Considering that no Greek would ever condemn the goal of Enosis, what then is there that would harm national interest if revealed? We can speculate that the likeliest thing is some kind of deal to carry out an agreed double union which presupposes prior partition. A deal brokered by who and agreed among who is the question. That revelation would be a political hot potato for sure.

[repulsewarrior]

...indeed, the timeline as it was described in the youtube was what made it so compelling to me; the failure, the betrayal of each and every so called Guarantor, to stand up, for Universal Principals. It is very clear, it is the Cypriots which are abused. In all of this they exist, and they are the "they" who are us, the rest of us (in any conflict generally but as Cypriots specifically) who are the victims of those who choose to express such hatred as "they" have it framed, the "Greeks" against the "Turks"/ the "Turks against the "Greeks".

...Cypriots, must take back the Agenda. (indeed, for the sake of Mankind, Cypriots, must, take back the Agenda.)

[Lordo]

you must have an idea.1, 3, 5 , 6.5 , 7. how many did you see. who supplied is another matter, it certainly was not the terggish government. you should first ask who financed the deep-sate of terggy and greace. and then you will run a serious risk of knowing something worthwhile about the cyprus problem

The point is, these machine guns were in circulation in the hands of the TCs and that they were not using only shotguns.

Turkey supplied the weapons to the TCs just as Turkey is now supplying weapons to the opposition in Syria. What does it matter from whom Turkey got these weapons?

it is not just a matter supply my dear fellow is it. it is a matter of fiance. who financed them.

you see there fools here that claim that terggy armed the tcs before 63 and palnned the uprising. totally ignoring what it says in akritas plan. and you help them in their ignorance.

So what you are saying is, we should ONLY accept what you have seen as far as weapons goes and not say anything about the weapons I saw. Is that it?

how the hell you deduced that one gavole. how many times have i asked how many have you seen. you still refuse to quantify. never mind ignoring how many you have seen i want to know roughly if not exact of these weapons have you seen, btw which look more gangster weapons collected after the gcs attacked because there were so few weapons around.

[Lordo]

...indeed, the timeline as it was described in the youtube was what made it so compelling to me; the failure, the betrayal of each and every so called Guarantor, to stand up, for Universal Principals. It is very clear, it is the Cypriots which are abused. In all of this they exist, and they are the "they" who are us, the rest of us (in any conflict generally but as Cypriots specifically) who are the victims of those who choose to express such hatred as "they" have it framed, the "Greeks" against the "Turks"/ the "Turks against the "Greeks".

...Cypriots, must take back the Agenda. (indeed, for the sake of Mankind, Cypriots, must, take back the Agenda.)

rw when the president of cyprus sets up the akritas gorup to create a plan to destoroy the republic and enosise it with greece there is nothing else to be done other than each guarantor protect the ones they were brought in to protect. makarios had the idea that if you starve the tcs terggy will not be able to intervene to stop it and he would be able to ethnically cleanse cyprus of all tcs. unfortunately for him they were a tougher nut to crack. they were resourceful and survived despite all the efforts the government machinery had at its disposal. this is the reason the coup took place because the ethnic cleansing via economic suffocation wast taking too long. in reality it was never going to work because as tcs began leaving there was more food left for the rest and by 1970 it was obvious to all that it had bottomed out and it was not going to work at all.

[Kikapu]

you must have an idea.1, 3, 5 , 6.5 , 7. how many did you see. who supplied is another matter, it certainly was not the terggish government. you should first ask who financed the deep-sate of terggy and greace. and then you will run a serious risk of knowing something worthwhile about the cyprus problem

The point is, these machine guns were in circulation in the hands of the TCs and that they were not using only shotguns.

Turkey supplied the weapons to the TCs just as Turkey is now supplying weapons to the opposition in Syria. What does it matter from whom Turkey got these weapons?

it is not just a matter supply my dear fellow is it. it is a matter of fiance. who financed them.

you see there fools here that claim that terggy armed the tcs before 63 and palnned the uprising. totally ignoring what it says in akritas plan. and you help them in their ignorance.

So what you are saying is, we should ONLY accept what you have seen as far as weapons goes and not say anything about the weapons I saw. Is that it?

how the hell you deduced that one gavole. how many times have i asked how many have you seen. you still refuse to quantify. never mind ignoring how many you have seen i want to know roughly if not exact of these weapons have you seen, btw which look more gangster weapons collected after the gcs attacked because there were so few weapons around.

Sorry Lordo, but I did not take count on how many of these weapons I saw. Why does it matter how many? They were used by the TCs guarding the part of the Green Line we were living at in Nicosia. I also saw one shotgun owned by a TC in the same house when about 20 of us were rounded up by the GCs in Küçük Kaymakli in '63.

[repulsewarrior]

...indeed, the timeline as it was described in the youtube was what made it so compelling to me; the failure, the betrayal of each and every so called Guarantor, to stand up, for Universal Principals. It is very clear, it is the Cypriots which are abused. In all of this they exist, and they are the "they" who are us, the rest of us (in any conflict generally but as Cypriots specifically) who are the victims of those who choose to express such hatred as "they" have it framed, the "Greeks" against the "Turks"/ the "Turks against the "Greeks".

...Cypriots, must take back the Agenda. (indeed, for the sake of Mankind, Cypriots, must, take back the Agenda.)

rw when the president of cyprus sets up the akritas gorup to create a plan to destoroy the republic and enosise it with greece there is nothing else to be done other than each guarantor protect the ones they were brought in to protect. makarios had the idea that if you starve the tcs terggy will not be able to intervene to stop it and he would be able to ethnically cleanse cyprus of all tcs. unfortunately for him they were a tougher nut to crack. they were resourceful and survived despite all the efforts the government machinery had at its disposal. this is the reason the coup took place because the ethnic cleansing via economic suffocation wast taking too long. in reality it was never going to work because as tcs began leaving there was more food left for the rest and by 1970 it was obvious to all that it had bottomed out and it was not going to work at all.

...i can hardly believe that after about 1970 Makarios had any confidence in the "big Idea", and by 1972, "they" (those that chose to exploit a nationalistic sentiment that as Cypriots would have the population torn in two), had him as a mortal enemy. Seriously...

[Pyrpolizer]

Sorry Lordo, but I did not take count on how many of these weapons I saw. Why does it matter how many? They were used by the TCs guarding the part of the Green Line we were living at in Nicosia. I also saw one shotgun owned by a TC in the same house when about 20 of us were rounded up by the GCs in Küçük Kaymakli in '63.

Shhhh Kikapu .... you are bursting the myth that TMT was only fighting with shovels and spades

[Lordo]

you see what i mean. they now believe before 1963 terggy armed all the tmt with automatic weapons tanks and warplanes.

when i get back home we shall have a thread on the kinds of weapons roc had and tcs had. there is plenty of photographic evidence as to who had what. especially when the gcs had the ports and tcs and the went home at midnight and left the ports unguarded before 1963 and of course there is the time after 63 when 12,000 greak soldiers dressed up as women which is the usual way they dress anyway so as not arouse suspicion and landed in limassol in the dead of night. of course what else they arroused once they landed is anybodies guess as we know what an average gc is like. of course this did not in anyway effect the constitution. gcs were perfectly right in inviting 12,000 soldiers from greace any time they liked withing the constitution. butter would not melt in the gcs mouth as it were. assholes.