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[GreekIslandGirl]

OMG - I can't believe you're still trying to flog the dead horse of reports which you have completely misunderstood!

You don't seem able to tell the difference of when the evaluations refer to the geographical Greek borders (Greece's responsibility and to do with as she wishes) and the EU external border maintenance which is the one under discussion that was inadequately manned because some selfish countries did not contribute to Frontex etc. (Belgium extremely sorry for what happened to you yesterday but think back to how derogatory you were about Greece's troubles and change your ways. Those innocent people did not deserve Belgium's lack of moral fibre and selfishness in not helping stem the flow of migrants into the EU's external borders. Even if the bombers were home-grown Belgians, these terrorists are getting more confident because of the sheer increase in number of people/migrants that are prepared to support them and hide them whilst they plot.)

Now, let your erroneous ideas drop dead and come into the REAL world of what has been happening since those evaluations/discussion - which are history!

[supporttheunderdog]

YOUR RESPONSE SHOWS JUST HOW FUCKING SICK IN THE HEAD YOU ARE - YOU HAVE JUST PROVEN YOURSELF THE MEANEST MINDED PERSON HERE - WHO IS TO SAY THE TERRORISTS DID NOT GET IN THROUGH GREECE DUE TO THE SERIOUS DEFICIENCIES IDENTIFIED IN HOW GREECE AND GREECE ALONE WAS FAILING TO MONITOR IRREGULAR ENTRANTS THOUGH GREECE'S EXTERNAL BORDERS.

AS USUAL YOU RESORT TO LIES AND DISTORTIONS.

THERE IS CURRENTLY NO MECHANISM FOR ANY BODY OR ORGANISATION OTHER THAN THE GREEK GOVERNMENT TO CONTROL GREEK NATIONAL EXTERNAL BORDERS SAVE UNDER REQUEST BY THE GREEK GOVERNMENT TO FRONTEX TO ASSIST - A REQUEST ONLY MADE ON 3RD DECEMBER - THREE WEEKS AFTER THE INSPECTIONS - CAN YOU IN FACT POINT TO ANY EU DOCUMENT WHICH ATTRIBUTES THE SERIOUS DEFICIENCIES IN GREECE TO ANY OTHER BODY APART FROM THE GREEK GOVERNMENT ?

THE DOCUMENTS ARE NOT HISTORY - GREECE STILL HAS TO COMPLY.

AS LATE AS 4TH MARCH THIS WAS THE STATUS
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-585_en.htm

Immediate support for Greece
The massive inflow of migrants would put the external border control of any Member State under severe pressure. The external border in Greece is under immense pressure and there is an immediate need to address the current shortcomings in border management. There are a number of clearly defined steps that must be taken in the coming months:
Commission experts in Greece should continue to cooperate with the Greek authorities and coordinate with the other actors involved;
There should be 100% identification and registration of all entries, including systematic security checks against databases;
Greece should present an action plan to address the Schengen Evaluation Recommendations and a needs assessment to allow other Member States, EU Agencies and the Commission to provide timely support;
If needed, Frontex should immediately prepare the further deployment of European Border Guard teams and launch additional calls for contributions, by 22 March;

Note- Greece has to prepare the plans to deal with the deficiencies.

These remain the position relevant to Greece -NOTHING HISTORICAL BUT STILL ONGOING

12 March 2016 at the latest: Greece provides its action plan to implement the recommendations made by the Council, together with a needs assessment.
22 March 2016 at the latest: Frontex launches additional calls for contributions to further deploy European Border Guard teams to support Greece.
1 April 2016 at the latest: Member States respond to the Frontex call by providing human resources and technical equipment.
12 April 2016 at the latest: the Commission presents its assessment of the adequacy of the action plan prepared by Greece.

11-17 April 2016: a Schengen evaluation by Commission and Member State experts of air, land and sea borders of Greece will take place.
12 May 2016 at the latest: Greece reports on the implementation of the Council recommendations.
12 May 2016: if the serious deficiencies in external border control were to persist, the Commission will present a proposal under Article 26(2) of the Schengen Borders Code.
13 May 2016: if the serious deficiencies in external border control were to persist, the Council should adopt a recommendation under Article 26(2) of the Schengen Borders Code for a coherent Union approach to temporary internal border controls.

No nation- let alone the Belgians - has yet failed to respond - under that time table the request for other states to contribute resources probably only went out yesterday - and they have unitl 1st April to do so - BTW IF any one refuses then I will happily condemn them for refusing to support as they are obliged now to do - but not before.

The key date is 12th May - Greece must still show that she has (albeit with help) been able to sufficiently resolve the serious deficiencies and I hope she can do so.

Next time you go out just look about and ask if the person near you is a terrorist who got in through Greece's inadequately controlled borders...

[GreekIslandGirl]

... WHO IS TO SAY THE TERRORISTS DID NOT GET IN THROUGH GREECE DUE TO THE SERIOUS DEFICIENCIES IDENTIFIED IN HOW GREECE AND GREECE ALONE WAS FAILING TO MONITOR IRREGULAR ENTRANTS THOUGH GREECE'S EXTERNAL BORDERS.

Erm because :

Salah Abdeslam, the Belgian-born French national who had been on the run since the Paris attacks, has been wounded and taken into custody by police.

and

Officials have also been concentrating on a particular Brussels neighborhood in an investigation of an Islamic State recruitment network.

and

Two of them were French citizens and brothers living (and born) in the Molenbeek suburb in northwest Brussels, a third was a Belgian who left for Syria a year ago. The first brother is called Brahim Abdeslam, who killed himself using an explosive belt in a café at the Rue Voltaire. A second brother, Mohamed Abdeslam, was arrested on suspicion of involvement in the plot but has since been released. The third was Salah Abdeslam, 26, who was arrested in Molenbeek after a dramatic shootout last week.
“There is a link to Molenbeek,” Belgian Prime Minister Charles Michel said soon after the Paris attacks.

Why do you think they have something to do with Greece?

Answer: Because you are a Greek-hating muck spreader who spreads lies.

.THE DOCUMENTS ARE NOT HISTORY - GREECE STILL HAS TO COMPLY.

They are history. They did not criticize Greece. They identified the need for a multi-state effort to maintain the EU external border. It is up to Greece to say if the recommendations are enough and working!

And ... wakey wakey .... there has been a new deal with Turkey which has nothing to do with anything stated in any evaluations so of course, those are history as they are superseded by developments!

[GreekIslandGirl]

Back to what this thread is actually about!

As a string of European countries closed their doors to refugees, a baker in a northern Greek village was opening his.

For the past week, Dimitris Spiridis — the grandson of refugees and a former migrant worker himself — has had three Syrian families living in his 180-square-meter (2,000-square-foot) house in Evropos. The six adults and six children are in addition to his own four children. He and his wife are sleeping on the living room sofas.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/greek-baker-o ... 03190.html

[repulsewarrior]

...yiasou my OP. few words again. cheers!

[repulsewarrior]

...grist for the mill.

http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la- ... story.html

http://washpost.bloomberg.com/Story?doc ... E8N0I6PK19

[supporttheunderdog]

... WHO IS TO SAY THE TERRORISTS DID NOT GET IN THROUGH GREECE DUE TO THE SERIOUS DEFICIENCIES IDENTIFIED IN HOW GREECE AND GREECE ALONE WAS FAILING TO MONITOR IRREGULAR ENTRANTS THOUGH GREECE'S EXTERNAL BORDERS.

Erm because :

Salah Abdeslam, the Belgian-born French national who had been on the run since the Paris attacks, has been wounded and taken into custody by police.

and

Officials have also been concentrating on a particular Brussels neighborhood in an investigation of an Islamic State recruitment network.

and

Two of them were French citizens and brothers living (and born) in the Molenbeek suburb in northwest Brussels, a third was a Belgian who left for Syria a year ago. The first brother is called Brahim Abdeslam, who killed himself using an explosive belt in a café at the Rue Voltaire. A second brother, Mohamed Abdeslam, was arrested on suspicion of involvement in the plot but has since been released. The third was Salah Abdeslam, 26, who was arrested in Molenbeek after a dramatic shootout last week.
“There is a link to Molenbeek,” Belgian Prime Minister Charles Michel said soon after the Paris attacks.

Why do you think they have something to do with Greece?

Answer: Because you are a Greek-hating muck spreader who spreads lies.

.THE DOCUMENTS ARE NOT HISTORY - GREECE STILL HAS TO COMPLY.

They are history. They did not criticize Greece. They identified the need for a multi-state effort to maintain the EU external border. It is up to Greece to say if the recommendations are enough and working!

And ... wakey wakey .... there has been a new deal with Turkey which has nothing to do with anything stated in any evaluations so of course, those are history as they are superseded by developments!

You are fond of using the press to promote your own views so do not even bother trying to be hypocritical and have a go at me for doing the same, as it would be a case of pots and kettles...A Greek press report no less....
I pass on as Read without endorsement of the article, the contents of which are the responsibility of the author alone....
http://en.protothema.gr/brussels-and-paris-terrorists-used-greece-as-gateway-into-europe/

The report says that the terrorists involved in the Paris and Brussels attacks had been traveling in and out of Greece planning the attacks in France and Belgium. Two of the Stade de France terrorist attackers in Paris had been rescued by the Greek coastguard near the island of Farmakonisi before subsequently traveling to France, while the Brussels metro station suicide bomber, Halid al Bakraoui travelled to Athens via Italy from Belgium on July 25 2015 where he met up with his brother Ibrahim. The leader of the Paris attacks, Adbelslam was in Greece on August 1 via Patras and Italy. In Patras he reportedly came in contact with other members of the group who entered Greece directly via Syria with the refugee flows.

[supporttheunderdog]

Tragic scenes in Chios

http://www.thetoc.gr/eng/news/article/clashes-break-out-between-police-and-residents-at-migrant-centre-in-chios

And Idomeni

http://www.thetoc.gr/eng/news/article/greek-farmer-plows-field-with-tractor-between-refugee-tents-in-idomeni

I hope he is not representative of Greeks as a whole...

I most sincerely hope that efforts to stem the flow, return the illegal irregular migrants, relocate genuine refugees and to generally help Greece deal with the irregular migrant/refugee situation are successful.

[GreekIslandGirl]

The love of humanity continues in Greece ....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 84496.html

[erolz66]

The love of humanity continues in Greece ....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 84496.html

What a lovely story and what a lovely woman. Such a shame then that for you the 'message' of this story is just your standard racist propaganda 'Greeks are better than any other people in the world who are not Greek'.

For some more examples of common humanity shown by ordinary people that are equally inspiring and heart warming to normal people as the one above but that do not serve the agenda of pushing the message 'Greeks are betting than any other people in the world who are not Greek' you could try these

http://amesnews.com.au/latest-articles/ ... enophobia/

http://www.npr.org/2016/02/15/466783824 ... n-refugees