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Re: Cyprus' Sister Island - Greek Heroics on Rhodes

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:55 am

erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:It must be soooooo frustrating for you to have found out so late that Greece is NOT going to be thrown out of Schengen ....


Where as back in the real world, I never said that Greece is going to be thrown out of Schengen. Never even said it was going to be suspended from Schengen.


You seem to take comfort in the fact you can shamelessly deny everything in the knowledge people will not go back to read your long-winded convoluted posts.


[Now stop derailing this thread with your "Look at me me me, I'm erolz33/erolz66/erolz99" pseudo-earnest attention-seeking posts.]
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Re: Cyprus' Sister Island - Greek Heroics on Rhodes

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:11 am

Today's happier news: :D

Archbishop Desmond Tutu on Monday joined over 230 academics from 111 universities in supporting the call for Greek islanders to be considered for this prestigious award.

Nobel Laureate Economist Sir Christopher Pisaridis, Professor Margaret MacMillan from Oxford University as well as Professor Anthony Giddens from the London School of Economics are among those who have signed the nomination.

The campaign called “Aegean Solidarity Movement” includes over 16 groups and individuals from 9 islands and was submitted to the Nobel Prize committee on Sunday, a day before nominations closed. It says, “the worst humanitarian crisis since World War II has been dealt with so far through the unprecedented, spontaneous mobilizations of ordinary, largely-anonymous people.”

In support of the campaign, Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu said, “The manner in which ordinary residents of the Greek Islands rallied to provide for an estimated 900,000 refugees last year was quite extraordinary. Just imagine 900,000 visitors in desperate need arriving at the door of your reasonably modest establishment. Hungry, exhausted and in a state of acute emotional distress... They don't speak the same language as you or ascribe to the same cultural or religious beliefs. What do you do? You open the door. Incredible!”


- See more at: http://www.thenewsminute.com/article/on ... VYVni.dpuf
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Re: Cyprus' Sister Island - Greek Heroics on Rhodes

Postby erolz66 » Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:40 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:It must be soooooo frustrating for you to have found out so late that Greece is NOT going to be thrown out of Schengen ....


Where as back in the real world, I never said that Greece is going to be thrown out of Schengen. Never even said it was going to be suspended from Schengen.


You seem to take comfort in the fact you can shamelessly deny everything in the knowledge people will not go back to read your long-winded convoluted posts.


I take comfort in the fact that I never said the things you claim I did and that the only way you could try and make out I did was to fraudulently attribute to me something that I clearly myself quoted and outside of all context for why I quoted it. If I said it it would be simple to show that I did. Even simpler than manipulating a post I made where I quoted someone else saying it, in order to fraudulently make out I said it.
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Re: Cyprus' Sister Island - Greek Heroics on Rhodes

Postby erolz66 » Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:06 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Today's happier news:


Just for the record

As far as this campaign, that was "started by Alkmini Minadaki" (your source) intent is to recognise 'ordinary people' and essentially regardless of nationality, I support it. As far as it's intent is to "symbolically represent the “behavior and attitude of Greece,"" (your source) , I do not. It is not clear to me which of these is actually the case.

What is clear to me is that the reason GiG supports it is nothing to do with 'recognising ordinary people' and everything to do with it being about Greece. I know this by simply imaging what she would say about it here if it involved recognising 'ordinary people' who happened to be of a nationality she does not like, based on having watched her posts as GiG/Oracle for 8.5 years.
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Re: Cyprus' Sister Island - Greek Heroics on Rhodes

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:12 pm

erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:It must be soooooo frustrating for you to have found out so late that Greece is NOT going to be thrown out of Schengen ....


Where as back in the real world, I never said that Greece is going to be thrown out of Schengen. Never even said it was going to be suspended from Schengen.


You seem to take comfort in the fact you can shamelessly deny everything in the knowledge people will not go back to read your long-winded convoluted posts.


I take comfort in the fact that I never said the things you claim I did and that the only way you could try and make out I did was to fraudulently attribute to me something that I clearly myself quoted and outside of all context for why I quoted it. If I said it it would be simple to show that I did. Even simpler than manipulating a post I made where I quoted someone else saying it, in order to fraudulently make out I said it.


Don't lie - your claims about the EU Commission threatening Greece with sanctions and your *sources* that you chose and posted to back you up with threats of 'expulsion' are all recorded in previous pages and other threads if anyone cares to find out how much you lie.
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Re: Cyprus' Sister Island - Greek Heroics on Rhodes

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:20 pm

erolz66 wrote:What is clear to me is that the reason GiG supports it is nothing to do with 'recognising ordinary people' and everything to do with it being about Greece. I know this by simply imaging what she would say about it here if it involved recognising 'ordinary people' who happened to be of a nationality she does not like, based on having watched her posts as GiG/Oracle for 8.5 years.


You just can't resist - you are a slave to your bilious nature!
This is a Cyprus Forum! If I posted how wonderful Nigeria has been about something - out of the blue - it would seem odd. There is NOTHING odd about celebrating some recognition of some goodness when it's from Hellenic sources - what is odd is why Turks post here - except we already know it's just to undermine the RoC and Greece with propaganda.

If you don't like seeing nice things about Cyprus and Greece - then stick to your TURKISH forums!

OH and btw - who gives a monkeys what you, the *great erolz33/66/99* thinks, seriously?
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Re: Cyprus' Sister Island - Greek Heroics on Rhodes

Postby erolz66 » Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:07 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:This is a Cyprus Forum! If I posted how wonderful Nigeria has been about something - out of the blue - it would seem odd.


Straw man. The test 'hypothetical' is about how credible it is to believe if your 'support' for this campaign is because it recognises 'ordinary people' or because it creates positive impressions of Greece. Imaging how you would respond if a similar campaign was mentioned here that involved recognising 'ordinary people' from a nation or ethnic group you do not like gives a good indication of that imo.

GreekIslandGirl wrote:There is NOTHING odd about celebrating some recognition of some goodness when it's from Hellenic sources


More straw man. No one is suggesting it odd for you celebrate recognition of 'goodness' that happen to be from or about Greeks. What I am questioning is the sincerity of your claim that you support this campaign because it is about recognising 'ordinary people' rather than you supporting it simply because it is about the 'goodness' of Greeks.

GreekIslandGirl wrote:what is odd is why Turks post here - except we already know it's just to undermine the RoC and Greece with propaganda.


I understand that it offends the very fibre of your being that I am both Cypriot and not Greek, but that is how it is. Suck it up.

GreekIslandGirl wrote:OH and btw - who gives a monkeys what you, the *great erolz33/66/99* thinks, seriously?


Do you even have the capacity to ask the same question of yourself ?
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Re: Cyprus' Sister Island - Greek Heroics on Rhodes

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Feb 05, 2016 5:19 pm

erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:OH and btw - who gives a monkeys what you, the *great erolz33/66/99* thinks, seriously?


Do you even have the capacity to ask the same question of yourself ?


I don't have the arrogance you display. I don't sit in judgment as you do in order to trash anything Greek that constitutes the majority natives of Cyprus.

I am respectful of the fact this is a Cyprus Forum and some 200,000 Cypriots are kept from their homes by your Turkish army because Greeks are the natives of this island that Turkey wants to colonise.
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Re: Cyprus' Sister Island - Greek Heroics on Rhodes

Postby erolz66 » Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:31 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:OH and btw - who gives a monkeys what you, the *great erolz33/66/99* thinks, seriously?


Do you even have the capacity to ask the same question of yourself ?


I don't have the arrogance you display.


Apparently you do not have the capacity to ask yourself the same question as you appear to have addressed a different question entirely.

GreekIslandGirl wrote: I don't sit in judgment ....


Meanwhile back in the real world.....

GreekIslandGirl wrote:I am respectful of the fact this is a Cyprus Forum .....


So respectful that this is a Cyprus forum that any time I have dared to mention the illegal abduction and murder of my uncle in 1964, your only response has been to piss on his memory by saying he must have been a TMT terrorist, without any need to provide any evidence that this was true and despite of credible evidence from a respected GC source that it was not. Yeah the respect you show is remarkable.
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Re: Cyprus' Sister Island - Greek Heroics on Rhodes

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:56 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:It must be soooooo frustrating for you to have found out so late that Greece is NOT going to be thrown out of Schengen ....


Where as back in the real world, I never said that Greece is going to be thrown out of Schengen. Never even said it was going to be suspended from Schengen.


You seem to take comfort in the fact you can shamelessly deny everything in the knowledge people will not go back to read your long-winded convoluted posts.


I take comfort in the fact that I never said the things you claim I did and that the only way you could try and make out I did was to fraudulently attribute to me something that I clearly myself quoted and outside of all context for why I quoted it. If I said it it would be simple to show that I did. Even simpler than manipulating a post I made where I quoted someone else saying it, in order to fraudulently make out I said it.


Don't lie - your claims about the EU Commission threatening Greece with sanctions and your *sources* that you chose and posted to back you up with threats of 'expulsion' are all recorded in previous pages and other threads if anyone cares to find out how much you lie.

I thought we had dealt with this..

Here are links to the Official EU press release news site
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-211_en.htm
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-211_en.htm

Here is the text of the news items they published,
European Commission - Press release
Commission discusses draft Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece

Brussels, 27 January 2016

Commission discusses draft Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece

The College of Commissioners has today, in view of the findings and their significance, taken note and discussed a draft Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece. The Schengen evaluation mechanism, established in October 2013, provides for the verification of the application of the Schengen rules through monitoring visits to a given Member State by Commission-led teams with experts from Member States and Frontex. The draft Schengen evaluation report for Greece, drawn up jointly by Member States experts and Commission representatives, will now be sent to the Schengen Evaluation Committee which will give its opinion. The report will then be adopted by the Commission by means of an implementing act.
Migration and Home Affairs Commissioner Dimitris Avramopoulos said: "If we want to maintain our internal area of free movement, we must better manage our external borders. This means that we will only save Schengen by applying Schengen. The Commission continuously monitors the implementation of the Schengen rules in all Schengen Member States. The draft Schengen evaluation report on Greece looks at the management of the external border during an evaluation visit of Member States and Commission experts in Greece in November. The report shows that there are serious deficiencies in the management of the external border in Greece. We know that in the meantime Greece has started undertaking efforts towards rectifying and complying with the Schengen rules. Substantial improvements are needed to ensure the proper reception, registration, relocation or return of migrants in order to bring Schengen functioning back to normal, without internal border controls. This is our ultimate common goal."
The draft report – which is not public – is based on unannounced site visits to the Greek-Turkish land border and to Chios and Samos conducted from 10 to 13 November 2015. The report looks at the presence of police and coast guard personnel on the inspected sites, the efficiency of the identification and registration process, sea border surveillance and cooperation with neighbouring countries. Whilst acknowledging that the Greek authorities are under pressure, the report notably finds that there is no effective identification and registration of irregular migrants and that fingerprints are not being systematically entered into the system and travel documents are not being systematically checked for the authenticity or against crucial security databases, such as SIS, Interpol and national databases. On this basis, the draft report concludes that Greece is seriously neglecting its obligations and that there are serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border controls that must be overcome and dealt with by the Greek authorities.
Schengen Evaluation Mechanism
Schengen evaluations are carried out in Member States based on a multi-annual and an annual evaluation programme. Such visits can be announced or unannounced.
Following each visit, a report is drawn up identifying any shortcomings and making recommendations for remedial action, with a deadline for their implementation. The recommendations are submitted by the Commission to the Council for adoption. As a follow-up, the Member State in question is required to submit an action plan setting out how it intends to remedy the weaknesses identified. Member States can be assisted in fulfilling the recommendations via practical and/or financial measures from the Commission, Frontex or other EU bodies.
The Eighth bi-annual report on the functioning of the Schengen area of 15 December 2015 already announced that, depending on the results of the Schengen evaluations in Greece, specific measures as referred to in Article 19a and 26 of the Schengen Borders Code may be recommended.
Procedures addressing exceptional circumstances
If a Schengen Evaluation Report concludes that the evaluated Member State is "seriously neglecting its obligations under the Schengen rules" and if there are "serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border control", the Commission can propose recommendations, to be adopted by the Council, for remedial action to address any deficiencies identified during the evaluation. In order to ensure compliance with these recommendations, the Commission may, under Article 19a of the Schengen Borders Code, recommend that the evaluated Member State take certain specific measures, which may include the deployment of European border guard teams or the submission of a strategic plan setting out how the Member State will deploy its own personnel and equipment to address the concerns. The Commission's proposals must be adopted by a Committee of the Member States, acting by qualified majority. The evaluated Member State then has three months to complete the remedial actions.
Where, after three months, serious deficiencies persist and the measures taken have not proved sufficient to ensure the adequate remedy of these deficiencies, the Commission may trigger the application of the procedure provided for in Article 26 of the Schengen Borders Code.
Under Article 26 of the Schengen Borders Code, if the measures under Article 19a have not been effective, the Council may, based on a proposal from Commission, recommend that one or more Member States reintroduce border controls at all or at specific parts of their internal borders as a matter of last resort, to protect the common interest of the Schengen area. The Council recommendation needs to be adopted by qualified majority.
Under Article 26, and in the exceptional circumstances described above, controls can be reintroduced for a period of up to six months. This measure can be prolonged for additional six month periods up to a maximum duration of two years.



European Commission - Press release
Commission adopts Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece and proposes recommendations to address deficiencies in external border management

Strasbourg, 2 February 2016

Commission adopts Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece and proposes recommendations to address deficiencies in external border management

Following a positive opinion by the Schengen evaluation committee on Friday, the College of Commissioners has today adopted the Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece and a proposal for a Council Recommendation on addressing the serious deficiencies identified in the evaluation report on the application of Schengen rules in the field of management of the external borders by Greece. The recommendations will be submitted to the Council for adoption.
The Schengen evaluation mechanism, established in October 2013, provides for the verification of the application of the Schengen rules through monitoring visits to a given Member State by Commission-led teams with experts from Member States and Frontex. The Schengen evaluation report for Greece and the Proposal for a Council Recommendation has been drawn up jointly by Member States experts and Commission representatives.
Migration, Home Affairs and Citizenship Commissioner Dimitris Avramopoulos said: "Our ability to maintain an area free of internal border controls depends on our ability to effectively manage our external borders. Today we are proposing a set of recommendations to ensure that, at all external borders of Greece, controls are carried out and brought in line with Schengen rules. At the same time, we take note of the efforts of the Greek Authorities to improve the situation and are reminding that all parts of the Commission's comprehensive plan need to be applied to face the unprecedented pressure at Europe's external borders. The objective of the European Commission and of the Member States is to safeguard and strengthen Schengen. We will only save Schengen by applying Schengen."
The recommendations seek to ensure that Greece applies all Schengen rules related to management of external border correctly and effectively. Recommendations are made in a number of areas such as the improvement of the registration procedures, including ensuring a sufficient number of staff and fingerprint scanners for registration and verification of migrants and their travel documents against SIS, Interpol and national databases. Greece should provide the necessary facilities for accommodation during the registration process and launch return procedures for irregular migrants who are not seeking asylum and who are not in need of international protection. Border surveillance should be improved, including the establishment of a risk analysis system and increased training of border guards. Improvements should also be made to infrastructure and equipment at the border crossing points.
In order to ensure compliance with these recommendations, the Commission may, in addition, recommend that Greece takes certain specific measures under Article 19a of the Schengen Borders Code, given the serious deficiencies noted in the Schengen Evaluation Report.
Schengen Evaluation Mechanism
Schengen evaluations are carried out in Member States based on a multi-annual and an annual evaluation programme. Such visits can be announced or unannounced.
Following each visit, a report is drawn up identifying any shortcomings and this is accompanied by recommendations for remedial action, with a deadline for their implementation. The recommendations are submitted by the Commission to the Council for adoption. As a follow-up, the Member State in question is required to submit an action plan setting out how it intends to remedy the weaknesses identified. Member States can be assisted in fulfilling the recommendations via practical and/or financial measures from the Commission, Frontex or other EU bodies.
The Eighth bi-annual report on the functioning of the Schengen area of 15 December 2015 already announced that, depending on the results of the Schengen evaluations in Greece, specific measures as referred to in Article 19a and 26 of the Schengen Borders Code may be recommended.
Procedures addressing exceptional circumstances
If a Schengen Evaluation Report concludes that the evaluated Member State is "seriously neglecting its obligations under the Schengen rules" and if there are "serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border control", the Commission can propose recommendations, to be adopted by the Council, for remedial action to address any deficiencies identified during the evaluation. In order to ensure compliance with these recommendations, the Commission may, under Article 19a of the Schengen Borders Code, recommend that the evaluated Member State take certain specific measures, which may include the deployment of European border guard teams or the submission of a strategic plan setting out how the Member State will deploy its own personnel and equipment to address the concerns. The Commission's proposals must be adopted by a Committee of the Member States, acting by qualified majority. The evaluated Member State then has three months to complete the remedial actions.
Where, after three months from the adoption of the Council recommendations, serious deficiencies persist and the measures taken have not proved sufficient to ensure the adequate remedy of these deficiencies, the Commission may trigger the application of the procedure provided for in Article 26 of the Schengen Borders Code.
Under Article 26 of the Schengen Borders Code, if the measures under Article 19a have not been effective, the Council may, based on a proposal from Commission, recommend that one or more Member States reintroduce border controls at all or at specific parts of their internal borders as a matter of last resort, to protect the common interest of the Schengen area. The Council recommendation needs to be adopted by qualified majority.
Under Article 26, and in the exceptional circumstances described above, controls can be reintroduced for a period of up to six months. This measure can be prolonged for additional six month periods up to a maximum duration of two years.



It is clear from these OFFICIAL EU PRESS RELEASES that Greece is not adequately performing
effective identification and registration of irregular migrants and that fingerprints are not being systematically entered into the system and travel documents are not being systematically checked for the authenticity or against crucial security databases, such as SIS, Interpol and national databases.

and as such
that Greece is seriously neglecting its obligations and that there are serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border controls that must be overcome and dealt with by the Greek authorities.



The second OFFICIAL EU PRESS REPORT States
Following a positive opinion by the Schengen evaluation committee on Friday, the College of Commissioners has today adopted the Schengen Evaluation Report on Greece and a proposal for a Council Recommendation on addressing the serious deficiencies identified in the evaluation report on the application of Schengen rules in the field of management of the external borders by Greece. The recommendations will be submitted to the Council for adoption.
The Schengen evaluation mechanism, established in October 2013, provides for the verification of the application of the Schengen rules through monitoring visits to a given Member State by Commission-led teams with experts from Member States and Frontex. The Schengen evaluation report for Greece and the Proposal for a Council Recommendation has been drawn up jointly by Member States experts and Commission representatives.
Migration, Home Affairs and Citizenship Commissioner Dimitris Avramopoulos said: "Our ability to maintain an area free of internal border controls depends on our ability to effectively manage our external borders. Today we are proposing a set of recommendations to ensure that, at all external borders of Greece, controls are carried out and brought in line with Schengen rules.



The press reports then both set out that that if necessary
Where, after three months from the adoption of the Council recommendations, serious deficiencies persist and the measures taken have not proved sufficient to ensure the adequate remedy of these deficiencies, the Commission may trigger the application of the procedure provided for in Article 26 of the Schengen Borders Code.
Under Article 26 of the Schengen Borders Code, if the measures under Article 19a have not been effective, the Council may, based on a proposal from Commission, recommend that one or more Member States reintroduce border controls at all or at specific parts of their internal borders as a matter of last resort, to protect the common interest of the Schengen area.



Now who is lying? I think you are and all you are reduced to is repeating the lie that Erolz is lying.

I will keep posting these official EU press releases for as long as it takes.,
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